Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

Originally Posted by classicman

lol - Wait what? Your reverting to that already? Is that all you got?
Isn't it you who claimed that when one cannot defend their position they....

And you are still ignoring that you dont have all the facts.

I stated my position. I dont know enough about the the school, the students and the situation to make an informed decision. I said it may have been poor judgment or not and I said, IMO, it was not a violation of their rights - dress codes are not generally not an infrigement of a student's right of expression.

What part of my position dont you understand?

But you presumably know more about it than me.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

You are making assumptions w/o knowing all the facts...w/o hearing anything from the Asst Principal, other than what was reported.
That...in any language is pre-judging or prejudice.

I am stating my opinion based upon the facts as we have them.
Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it is in America is inappropriate.

That will never ever be ok with me - Ever. What bothers me is that it is ok with you and apparently some others.

Originally Posted by classicman

I am stating my opinion based upon the facts as we have them.
Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it is in America is inappropriate.

That will never ever be ok with me - Ever. What bothers me is that it is ok with you and apparently some others.

So you have enough facts to make an informed decision.

Well, I dont have enough facts to make an informed (or emotional?) decision...so you put words in my mouth again that the Asst Principals actions are "ok with me".

When did I say it was ok? I said ...we dont all the facts and it may have been poor judgment or not. We havent heard from the Asst Principal....we dont know anything about the students or the school. We do know that at least three of the kids (w/ the bandannas probably violated the school dress code).

But I do think it is great that you keep highlighting his name...making a point of what, I still dont know...other than you have pre-judged his actions based on limited information.

[skysidhe]

Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA, said the students are protected under California Education Code 48950, which prohibits schools from enforcing a rule subjecting a high school student to disciplinary sanctions solely on the basis of conduct that, when engaged outside of campus, is protected by the First Amendment.
If the school could point to previous incidents sparked by students who wore garments with American flags, they could argue that the flag is likely to lead to "substantial disruption," Volokh said.
"If, for example, there had been fights over similar things at past events, if there had been specific threats made. But if [school officials] just say, 'Well, we think it might be offensive to people,' that's generally speaking not enough."
Volokh said the students and their parents likely have a winning case on their hands if they decide to take the matter to court.
"Oh yes, it's almost open and shut," he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07...ng-flag-flap/#

[squirell nutkin]

AMEN Brother Jim!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I think where Redux gets a slanging in things like this is we don't hear him bitching hard enough at offenses of this kind. And he doesn't seem all that ready to pick up the clue.

The incident does forcibly recall Twain's aphorism about idiots, and then school boards. Not what you'd call the newest of problems.

Jim, Jim: can't you understand that "reasonable" is when hard leftism dies altogether and soft leftism moves rightward to a more sensible habit? We libertarians get this. Now what -- is the rest of the world dead? Or just slave-minded? Should they be?? This is not more than they need, you know. Just more than they thought to get.

We have values. Some people think we oughtn't, and that is visible here as they flail at us. It is grotesque to see men of forty or fifty whose moral thinking has not advanced beyond about age fifteen -- particularly with regard to property rights. (To be a socialist -- there are no right-wing socialists, nor conservative ones; that leaves the Left -- you have to in essence abandon the idea of property, and insist upon some "right" to take, either in your name or with your own hands.)

UT can ban me anytime he wants.

Merc can go back to his Nazi characterizations and the whores and cunts in Congress

UG can rant about the Obama socialists and gun control leading to genocide and the sub-adult Democrats

Classic can bitch about govt data being biased and declaring people guilty until proven innocent....who needs all the facts.

God forbid any of the above should be challenged.

And all will be right with the Cellar!

ps....but until he does ban me....I'm gonna have my fun exposing the ignorance where and when I see it.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

UG can rant about the Obama socialists and gun control leading to genocide and the sub-adult Democrats
. . .
but until he does ban me....I'm gonna have my fun exposing the ignorance where and when I see it.

Have fun exposing yourself, then. (Brother, when you give me a straight line...)

I do not rant. I speak truth, and I have confidence in it which you have never been able to shake. You never shall; I know better. When you'd like me to rant, I disoblige you, and show you up as a specimen of a fan of the Almighty and Excessive State, or if you prefer a Putter of Trust in Princes.

One cannot trust princes; too much of their job description is figuring out whom they can afford to disappoint. But Redux, you'd like us to trust this prince you voted in.

[Griff]

I used the upstate NY flat a, but I'd say they all appear to count the same...

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Merc can go back to his Nazi characterizations and the whores and cunts in Congress

Thank you, hopefully most of the cunts and whores will be tossed out of Congress in the next election from both sides of the Demoncractic and Republickin camps. Fuck all of them.

[lumberjim]

why don't you ban your face?

Originally Posted by lumberjim

why don't you ban your face?

I like my face.

Sorry if you and your queen been dont.

[lumberjim]

we don't know you

and we don't owe you.

but if you see us around, I got something else to show you

Originally Posted by lumberjim

we don't know you

and we don't owe you.

but if you see us around, I got something else to show you

I'm more of a golden oldies kind of guy, but i guess thats better than Merc wanting to challenge me to a duel rather than engage in a moderated discussion.

[lumberjim]

the point I was making was that the dynamic that goes on between the Politicos (political posters)... (not just you..I don't know you... I don't read your posts....) is such that one knows that it is the same scenario replayed over and over again.

Here's what happens:

Someone posts a topic...any topic.

There are maybe 1-2 pages of casual discussion about it, and possibly some divergence of opinion that people discuss and toss different view points around.

Then a 'Politco' posts an opinion which will invariably include some non funny attempt at an acerbic comment about the opposing 'team' .... and then the thread will jump 3 pages in 11 minutes and consist of nothing but the unattractive side of a bitter argument between what surely must be estranged lovers.

SO, it's not all about you, Redux. as I said....it's the part you play over and over again. you all dance for each other. I, for one am not amused or entertained by it. And really, I like to be amused and entertained.