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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

"Pot, meet Kettle." There is no animal known as "reasonable gun control" among the Demoncrats in this country.

Sure...the Brady Law, the last significance US gun control legislation enacted 16 years ago, almost entirely on a party line vote, was the first step towards genocide.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Sure...the Brady Law, the last significance US gun control legislation enacted 16 years ago, almost entirely on a party line vote, was the first step towards genocide.

No, it was the first step towards removing a Constitutional Right that I have to own guns, even the ugly ones.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No, it was the first step towards removing a Constitutional Right that I have to own guns, even the ugly ones.

Hey....I think its great that you are not in the UG gun control --> genocide camp.

At the same, in its 200+ year history, the Supreme Court has never affirmed that 2nd Amendment rights are absolute...and that includes the most recent ruling by the conservative leaning Court that struck down the DC gun law, but also concluded that the Constitution does not prohibit reasonable restrictions or limitations on that right.

[TheMercenary]

Doesn't change the intentions of the Demoncrats in Congress and their ultimate goal to remove my Constitutional right to own guns on my own terms. Even the ugly ones.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Doesn't change the intentions of the Demoncrats in Congress and their ultimate goal to remove my Constitutional right to own guns on my own terms. Even the ugly ones.

Right...all Democrats in Congress, or even just a majority, are united with a common goal of taking away all of your guns or just the ugly ones.

They're gonna do in the middle of the night with no transparency, tacked on as an amendment to some obscure and benign pierce of legislation that Obama will sign without the pledged 4 day waiting period!

[monster]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Your IQ would rise by fifty to seventy points, were you to shed your hoplophobia.

What, wait... love guns and you can be in Mensa?

So wait now, I've done a zillion Mensa test thingies (well it feels like a zillion) and my highest score was 147 (lowest was under 130 -what -you thought they were meaningful?) ...so you're saying if I learned to love the gun i could be the first 200IQ?



you're so full of bull the stink is clearly having a negative effect on your IQ rating

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

UT: one thing to consider -- as of when do Iraq's houses each have their AKs? During Saddam, or afterwards? I don't know, and I don't think you know either. During Saddam's time, revolts would, I think, have been more successful with an AK in every house, not so? This is why I haven't been much influenced by your example either time you've offered it.

It is customary for Iraqi familes to have a rifle. This hasn't changed.

Hundreds of thousands of rifles in private hands didn't cause revolt or prevent a hundred thousand dead in mass graves.

When England had guns all through its society, it also had a crime rate so low that English policemen went about armed about equally with a nightstick and slightly stuffy virtue -- and were effective.

Well, not so effective in Iraq. And not creating a society you'd want to live in. Doesn't that suggest to you that the guns aren't the fulcrum of freedom you think they are?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Doesn't that suggest to you that the guns aren't the fulcrum of freedom you think they are?

That notion was disproved in the 1794 Whiskey Rebellion, when the Federal Government proved it's superiority.

Since the second amendment guaranteed our right to bear arms, and they have been proven not a threat to the government, there is no reason to change that right.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Hundreds of thousands of rifles in private hands didn't cause revolt or prevent a hundred thousand dead in mass graves.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought the hundred thousand dead were all Kurds. Does the average Iraqi family care about them?

[TheMercenary]

You can't draw comparisons between gun ownership and Iraq. That is a very long stretch.

[Undertoad]

The Kurds have guns too.

[Shawnee123]

They don't like the Kurds. They don't like their ways.

ba dum dum

Here is where UG's assertions about democracies and sacred rights bump into each other.

If, as he maintains, an absolute and unambiguous Constitutional right to bear arms is at the very foundation of a democracy and a democracy cannot exist without it, then by that measure, the new democracy in Iraq is a failure.

The Iraqi constitution identifies many basic rights....free speech, free press, free association, freedom of religion, protection against search and seizure, etc.......even a right to guaranteed work, a living wage and health care.

But no specific language in the Constitution guaranteeing a right to bear arms.

UG...would that make that new Iraq democracy a failure?


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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

They don't like the Kurds. They don't like their ways.

ba dum dum

Whey to go!

See..I am paying attention!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

But no specific language in the Constitution guaranteeing a right to bear arms.

You can't be that stupid.

Ok, I take that back.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Redux

Whey to go!

See..I am paying attention!