Communism, boiled down.

I have taken courses on economics, textbooks are where I get my information.
If you don't believe me fine.
You make blanket statements, mostly just emotion, and we just let you have at it... but you question the validity of our discussion without doing any research once you have been open questioned?
Pretty sorry. Pretty slack.

Everything you have listed has HEAVY government involvement. Thanks for supporting our side.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

There are no democracies on the planet, and good thing... mob rule is insane. I don't ever remember hearing about one.
I have to say, the one system that is worse than communism is a democracy, I will give you that. Pure elitism/gangism (my word). True.

While you're absolutely correct, everyone except possibly the school teachers have polluted the real meaning. Everyone from the US government to Frank Capra, have used it freely to describe our form of government, much the same way they have interchangeably used communism and socialism.

[Aliantha]

That's exactly my point thanks Bruce.

Neither democracy or communism has ever worked because people apply their own meanings to words.

Personally, although I believe communism in its truest form would be a lovely, stress free way for us all to live, I know it will never work.

I believe the human race has a long way to go before anyone can claim the right to say they've created the perfect form of government.

[piercehawkeye45]

Theoretically, the only way we could get to an almost perfect system is a natural transition and that will take hundreds, most likely thousands, of years. Personally I think it would be something close to anarcho-communism but I don't think we will ever get there.

Marx’s biggest flaws are thinking you can get to a perfect government through a violent revolution and that you can go from capitalism to communism. Revolution can not change minds, it has to be the product of changed minds. Also, the jump from capitalism to communism will not solve the class inequality and human rights issues since everyone was raised in a capitalist society. The only way I can see a eutopian anarchical state happening is if it comes from a government controlled more left-winged government. That is much much tougher said than done.

The problems with humans and communism and democracy is that minorities are what make us tick.
Inventors, visionaries, the HARD workers, artists, the .001% of laboratory scientist, etc are those that lurch us into the future, the paradigm shifters.
There is no place for these people in a communist society no place for their massive support system of free-thinkers who go against the grain of the masses in a democracy.
Who the Romans called the Plebes fear these people and their peers, but they must be protected and supported at all costs.
Without them, we stagnate and will go extinct, without them, we cease evolving and revert to our worst, most base habits (See USSR and Mao's China).

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Read LeGuin's The Dispossessed for a communist society that thought it was perfect. Only by the most intense autohypnosis and conditioning could its members function according to their "ideals."

In other words, their whole society was entirely wrong.

I didn't finish the book, either -- but then, LeGuin isn't often my cup of tea.