Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Tw is feared only by tw. Tw's self-justificatory attempts impress only tw. Tw is taking to speaking of tw in the third person.

It should -- again -- be pointed out that tw does not want us to win the GWOT. I explicitly asked him if he really wanted us to win the war about half a dozen times over the past eighteen to twenty-four months. There was no answer, affirmative or negative; tw confined himself to carping irresponsibly about our nation doing, apparently, anything at all to trouble the foe. Talk about being afraid! -- I saw it then.

Personally, I slap tw into accesses of jealous rage routinely. I'm the good man he'd like to be, but can't, owing to his developmental history. I managed to badger him into confessing he himself had never been in the military.

[classicman]

Sorry Tom, that game has gotten very old. No diversionary tactics - no changing the subject. Please remain on topic - Where is your proof, Tom? You made an unfounded accusation - either back it up or STFU.

You can attack me later. Lets finish this subject first - ok?
Prove where Themercenary lied about his service record or apologize - just like any real man would do.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

You made an unfounded accusation - either back it up or STFU.

You would again turn accurate statements into a pissing contest. classicman, when you do show responsibility and respect for the American soldier. Ask what an intelligent American adult would routinely ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?"

You would instead side with and post like TheMercenary? I thought you were smarter. TheMercenary cannot and therefore does not attempt to defend himself. So why are you his attack dog? Oh. You cannot miss any opportunity to denigrate another? Well, that is the point. Some people, especially George Jr supporters, only understand personal attacks - in Rush Limbaugh tradition.

At what point do you finally demonstrate integrity? Ask what any decent person would ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?" I thought you might be smarter than that. Replies are now in a tone that you understand - personal attack.

Surprise me. Demonstrate a shred of intelligence and integrity. Define George Jr for what he really is. Ask that simple question that George Jr supporters (TheMercenary and UG) fear to ask. Show some respect for the American soldier. Deal with the issues rather than attack another. A simple question that exposes the uneducated (and therefore George Jr supporters) such as TheMercenary.

The game is not old. Now wonder you do it so often. Enjoyable is posting as you and TheMercenary routinely do. You don't like it? Why then would you post like TheMercenary and UG? A socially responsible classicman would instead criticize those who routinely reply with personal attacks. Why do you routinely side with and post like UG and TheMercenary? Are you also a wacko extremist? Its not getting old. Its only confronting extremists with what someone should have done long ago - replies duplicating what they normally do.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

You would again turn accurate statements into a pissing contest. classicman, when you do show responsibility and respect for the American soldier. Ask what an intelligent American adult would routinely ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?"

You would instead side with and post like TheMercenary? I thought you were smarter. TheMercenary cannot and therefore does not attempt to defend himself. So why are you his attack dog? Oh. You cannot miss any opportunity to denigrate another? Well, that is the point. Some people, especially George Jr supporters, only understand personal attacks - in Rush Limbaugh tradition.

At what point do you finally demonstrate integrity? Ask what any decent person would ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?" I thought you might be smarter than that. Replies are now in a tone that you understand - personal attack.

Surprise me. Demonstrate a shred of intelligence and integrity. Define George Jr for what he really is. Ask that simple question that George Jr supporters (TheMercenary and UG) fear to ask. Show some respect for the American soldier. Deal with the issues rather than attack another. A simple question that exposes the uneducated (and therefore George Jr supporters) such as TheMercenary.

The game is not old. Now wonder you do it so often. Enjoyable is posting as you and TheMercenary routinely do. You don't like it? Why then would you post like TheMercenary and UG? A socially responsible classicman would instead criticize those who routinely reply with personal attacks. Why do you routinely side with and post like UG and TheMercenary? Are you also a wacko extremist? Its not getting old. Its only confronting extremists with what someone should have done long ago - replies duplicating what they normally do.

No where in this post have you been able to support your claim:

Originally Posted by tw
TheMercenary lied about his service record.

I have more than 20 years of honorable service and the documents to back it up. Your blanket statements dishonor hundreds of thousands of people who have served our nation. Please back up your statement or STFU.

I can't believe the number of other Cellar Dwellers you just sit by and accept this kind of statement from tw.

Thanks to classicman for stepping up to the plate.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I can't believe the number of other Cellar Dwellers you just sit by and accept this kind of statement from tw.

I can't speak for anyone else, but this mud fight is not something I'm interested in joining.

I think rich got it right.

Originally Posted by richlevy

All in all, the last dozen posts have a high noise-to-content ratio with a big dose of spin and paranoia from both sides.

[jinx]

As seen on bumper stickers and fridge magnets everywhere:

Never argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

[classicman]

BTW - that was a very nice post although about 80% of the accusations about me were wrong too.

[classicman]

I have chosen only the side of the truth - that is my goal here - but alas another diversion attempted by you and refuted again by me - Please try to focus & stay on topic.

Integrity??? What a surreal challenge, coming from you- You made a claim, back it up! That would demonstrate your integrity, Tom Welch - Please don't question mine simply because I asked you to verify your claim. Just provide the proof you claim to have and we'll all be able to move on.

Another diversion will not change the subject nor the apparent reality that you are seemingly a liar. If that is not true - provide proof. It seems so simple that even a layman like me can understand it - surely an electrical engineer like yourself should be able to do so as well.

Am I somehow being unclear in what I am asking of you? If so, please let me know and I'll try to clarify it for you.

Your last post had nothing to do with you backing up your claim that TheMercenary lied about his service record - either put up or shut up - seems pretty simple. You can write a 2000 word post on virtually anything, but when asked to back it up with facts - - - silence...
Why is that? The simple answer seems to be that there is no proof. That would call into question much of what you claim.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Accurate statements, tw? You do not issue accurate statements. Your most inaccurate statements are your claims to be some description of patriot. Sorry. Though the only thing I'm sorry about is how incapable you are of redemption or improvement. It is a sad spectacle. You're out of your depth in politics, and watching you try and do politics is like watching a thalidomide case playing the bagpipes. You are particularly out of your depth in the political question of when, whether, and how to replace nondemocracy with genuine democracy.

Hell, your memory about what I've said isn't exactly steel-trap. It's now a matter of Cellar record that you've exaggerated my length of service and underestimated my promotions -- there are many who can tell you the difference between a Petty Officer First Class and a corporal. And your source of information was me.

You do not want, and never did want, the American military to succeed in the endeavor made necessary by 9/11. You're transparent as glass, and we're not taking your ideas in any fashion, let alone taking them seriously.

[classicman]

I'm just going to apologize in this thread too - I apologize.
I'm done wasting my time with him. Sorry everyone.

[BigV]

pssst:

[stage whisper]

no one believes it. stop giving credence to his untruthful insults by responding to them. do not justify them by acknowledging them.

I'm just sayin...

[/stage whisper]

[TheMercenary]

You're right. I guess it is best to hit the old igore button.

[tw]

Eventually throwing money at the rich to make an economy look good; permitting off sheet entities and other free form spread sheet games; now the government is offering free money to more and more comers. A discount window once open to investment banks will now be open to insurance companies? This is socialism as we should expect from extremist politician who always work for themselves – not in the interests of America.

By Monday morning, you should know Merrill Lynch is gone - a victim of a liquidity crisis. Lehman Bros is in such bad shape that no one is willing to buy them. And AIG - the biggest insurance company - has just gone begging to the Fed for money because, well, it has been obvious for at least five years that their accounting sucked.

Meanwhile, the FDIC (who insure your back accounts) has also quietly discusses a government cash extension. Legg Mason has been added to a list of companies maybe on the verge. Auto loan companies are rumored to now be suffering from non-performing car loans. And of course another anti-American company (who has obviously been playing spread sheet games for decades while stifling innovation) GM keeps suggesting it will beg for government money.

As Cheney said, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter". It has been noted many times here. These ponzi schemes that made the economy look good eventually cause economic forces to take revenge. The fiscal mismanagement of four and seven years ago is now resulting in an appropriate response.

Why is the economy not in free fall? It would have been if this was 1920 economics. But we have numerous safety nets. Many if not most are now in operation. For example, something over 700 American banks have failed. It is no loner certain how many mortgages are non-performing. Something like one in three in California may be on the verge of default.

More obviously encouraged were money games by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They too have been legally buying politicians to get a slice of the free money

[classicman]

Only the strong survive - isn't that how it is in the real world? Perhaps we are cleaning up a bloated mess and will be left with only those that should have been around.
Hell lets get rid of GM too while we're at it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Only the strong survive - isn't that how it is in the real world? Perhaps we are cleaning up a bloated mess and will be left with only those that should have been around.

Merrill Lynch customers can thank Bank of America for saving their investments from a similar glaring disaster called Lehman Bros. But again, every such problem is directly traceable to spread sheet accounting that perverts those spread sheets to claim profits. Good companies know the purpose of a company is its products. Bad (or for those who need to see things in religious terms) or evil companies foolishly think the purpose of a company is its profits. George Jr and the extremists he fronts for agree with the latter.

Companies that chase profits rather than better products must eventually use spread sheet games to claim profits. GM has been doing that for decades. When the employee retires, his pension fund is supposed to be fully funded. To claim profits, GM stopped funding those pension funds. Now GM claims legacy costs - an unfair advantage. GM forgets to mention that no profits existed through 1990s and early 2000s if GM had been properly funding those pension funds. But again, money games because too many foolishly think the only purpose of a company is its profits.

Under George Jr (especially obvious with his SEC commission Harvey Pitts), spread sheet games were openly encouraged. It makes an economy work better - according to the evil ones. Now the government must bail out companies who also pay those executives multi-hundred $million termination bonuses.

See why Chrysler is probably in trouble. Same executive that was slowly driving Home Depot under was given $200million to leave. Now he is doing same for Chrysler. His job as described to me by another (drunk) executive who was doing the same thing. "___ makes the spread sheets say what they must say." ____ was his accountant.