The Firing of Juan Williams From NPR - Page 5

glatt · 10-22-2010, 02:22 PM

I don't think it has much to do with NPR listeners.

I think it's a management/talent issue and they were looking for an excuse to fire him. NPR doesn't like FOX, and they don't like it that he was going on FOX. So they fired him over this arbitrary infraction of his job description.

Undertoad · 10-22-2010, 02:23 PM

Because he's black on Fox News, Shaw. That is not a condition NPR or its listeners can tolerate... the very idea of a black liberal person on Fox is unacceptable (amongst other things, Fox offering opposing viewpoints demonstrates that Fox isn't what they think it is) and they demanded his removal well before this incident.

Shawnee123 · 10-22-2010, 02:32 PM

I see what you're saying now. Thanks.

Pico and ME · 10-22-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

You're arguing for dishonesty.

Do you see the problem there? I ask this in all seriousness. If we feel a certain way about something, is it always better to keep quiet--stuff that feeling deep down inside and pretend that it will go away? Or is it better to address it openly and honestly?

Why do I even have to ask this? Are we in the ƒucking twilight zone???

Excuse me for being skeptical about Fox's ability to discuss this openly and honestly with the intention of helping to alleviate the problem. Fox News and its commentators are all about keeping the pot stirred, not real discussion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Precisely. It wasn't knee-jerk intolerant irrational anxiety about Muslims that got Williams fired. It was knee-jerk intolerant irrational anxiety about Fox News, from NPR listeners.

So now a man who has written about, studied, and suffered bigotry is secretly a bigot? Pico I don't think this approach will help bring about the kind of world you want.

I don't think he is a bigot for what he said. But I also seriously doubt that he really feels this anxiety in the first place. I think what he said was done purposely and it wasn't for sharing feelings openly and honestly.

This is just how I feel about it. I am unsure about NPR's real reason for firing him.

Flint · 10-22-2010, 02:59 PM

You've just composed an eloquent proof of Undertoad's theory! lol

Pico and ME · 10-22-2010, 03:06 PM

I wasn't refuting Undertoads assertion for NPR's reason.

Flint · 10-22-2010, 03:10 PM

Right. You demonstrated that he was correct.

"It was knee-jerk intolerant irrational anxiety about Fox News, from NPR listeners." << That's you!

Pico and ME · 10-22-2010, 03:16 PM

Its knee-jerk mistrust about their motives. I seriously do not think Fox is helpful to society in way, shape or form and in fact that they are actually harmful. Oh, maybe they do perform a service in that they help to blow off steam, but essentially I think they go horribly past that. I think skepticism, especially of Fox News Corp, is healthy.

Flint · 10-22-2010, 03:26 PM

Right, they are such bad mojo that NPR had to fire a dude for being on there too much.

Pico and ME · 10-22-2010, 03:28 PM

If it doesn't jibe with their editorial principles, then yes.

Flint · 10-22-2010, 03:38 PM

R i i i g h t

Undertoad · 10-22-2010, 03:39 PM

Why do you hate Fox News?

Because they lie!

How do you know they're lying?

Because they're on Fox News, duh!

link

Pico and ME · 10-22-2010, 03:40 PM

lol

Oh welll....

Flint · 10-22-2010, 03:41 PM

It has the electrolytes that plants crave!

Shawnee123 · 10-22-2010, 03:46 PM

I thought there were numerous instances of Fox on Film, lying, creeping, shopping, bending, numerous posts to point to these instances...I thought this was public knowledge at the Cellar?

10-22-2010, 02:32 PM	#63
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I see what you're saying now. Thanks. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-22-2010, 02:59 PM	#65
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You've just composed an eloquent proof of Undertoad's theory! lol __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-22-2010, 03:10 PM	#67
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Right. You demonstrated that he was correct. "It was knee-jerk intolerant irrational anxiety about Fox News, from NPR listeners." << That's you! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-22-2010, 03:26 PM	#69
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Right, they are such bad mojo that NPR had to fire a dude for being on there too much. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-22-2010, 03:38 PM	#71
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	R i i i g h t __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-22-2010, 02:22 PM	#61
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I don't think it has much to do with NPR listeners. I think it's a management/talent issue and they were looking for an excuse to fire him. NPR doesn't like FOX, and they don't like it that he was going on FOX. So they fired him over this arbitrary infraction of his job description.

10-22-2010, 02:23 PM	#62
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Because he's black on Fox News, Shaw. That is not a condition NPR or its listeners can tolerate... the very idea of a black liberal person on Fox is unacceptable (amongst other things, Fox offering opposing viewpoints demonstrates that Fox isn't what they think it is) and they demanded his removal well before this incident.

10-22-2010, 03:06 PM	#66
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	I wasn't refuting Undertoads assertion for NPR's reason.

10-22-2010, 03:16 PM	#68
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Its knee-jerk mistrust about their motives. I seriously do not think Fox is helpful to society in way, shape or form and in fact that they are actually harmful. Oh, maybe they do perform a service in that they help to blow off steam, but essentially I think they go horribly past that. I think skepticism, especially of Fox News Corp, is healthy.

10-22-2010, 03:28 PM	#70
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	If it doesn't jibe with their editorial principles, then yes.

10-22-2010, 03:39 PM	#72
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Why do you hate Fox News? Because they lie! How do you know they're lying? Because they're on Fox News, duh! link

10-22-2010, 03:40 PM	#73
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	lol Oh welll....

10-22-2010, 03:41 PM	#74
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	It has the electrolytes that plants crave! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-22-2010, 03:46 PM	#75
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I thought there were numerous instances of Fox on Film, lying, creeping, shopping, bending, numerous posts to point to these instances...I thought this was public knowledge at the Cellar? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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