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TheMercenary 10-21-2010 12:42 PM
The Firing of Juan Williams From NPR
 
This is BS. NPR made a big mistake.

glatt 10-21-2010 12:45 PM
This explains it.


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Williams' presence on the largely conservative and often contentious prime-time talk shows of Fox News has long been a sore point with NPR News executives.
They have been looking for an excuse to get rid of him.

classicman 10-21-2010 02:14 PM
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"But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."
He told the truth. An ugly truth that many people are too ashamed to admit.
Quote:
NPR issued a statement praising Williams as a valuable contributor but saying it had given him notice that it is severing his contract. "His remarks on The O'Reilly Factor this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR," the statement read.
Bold mine - Apparently honesty is inconsistent with NPR lately. Fuck them.
More opinions here.

monster 10-21-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 689466)
He told the truth. An ugly truth that many people are too ashamed to admit.
For real? I don't think that. Am I in the minority? Srsly?

Shawnee123 10-21-2010 03:30 PM
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He told the truth. An ugly truth that many xenophobic unthinking people are too ashamed to admit, and should be.
Don't worry, I FTFH.

:lol:

xoxoxoBruce 10-21-2010 03:38 PM
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Williams' presence on the largely conservative and often contentious prime-time talk shows of Fox News has long been a sore point with NPR News executives.
I see, so NPR doesn't want to fair and balanced either.

Undertoad 10-21-2010 03:38 PM
This is some new level of political correctness and I think Richard Fernandez put it well when he calls it a new form of blasphemy: things that simply cannot be said.

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This is the modern age of faith, and how. Under these circumstances occasions of offense are likely to multiply and not diminish. Belief, and therefore blasphemy, is back. Ironically it has returned just as the secular world was congratulating itself on creating a multicultural world in which religion had been banished to domestic altars. It was in fact creating its parody all along: a patchwork of monocultures, a series of echo-chambers, a checkerboard of ghettos each with its own public idol living in uneasy proximity with each other.

At this rate there must eventually come a time when we simply cannot understand each other, when people suddenly jump up at the mention of opening an egg on the big, or mayhap, on the little end, when the demand for reasons itself will have become the ultimate disrespect.

classicman 10-21-2010 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by monster (Post 689469)
For real? I don't think that. Am I in the minority? Srsly?
Yes. And since you are a "loser" your opinion doesn't count.

glatt 10-21-2010 03:41 PM
I don't think it either, but "many people" is a meaningless phrase. "Many people" starts with an "m" like "most people" but it doesn't mean "most people" at all. "Most" means "greater than 50%." It has a mathematical definition. "Many" is arbitrary and could mean anything. Anywhere from oh, 4 people, to 5 billion people.

Shawnee123 10-21-2010 03:42 PM
I'm frightened and cold.

Shawnee123 10-21-2010 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 689477)
I don't think it either, but "many people" is a meaningless phrase. "Many people" starts with an "m" like "most people" but it doesn't mean "most people" at all. "Most" means "greater than 50%." It has a mathematical definition. "Many" is arbitrary and could mean anything. Anywhere from oh, 4 people, to 5 billion people.
Anything could mean one thing or two things or many things or most things or all things. Anywhere could mean one where or two wheres or many wheres or most wheres or all wheres.

:p:

classicman 10-21-2010 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 689477)
"many people" is a meaningless phrase.
I intentionally said many to leave it arbitrary. I would guess that it is a lot more than you want to believe.

Shawnee123 10-21-2010 03:52 PM
It was the topic of discussion on This Week with Christiane Amanpour recently. Very heated opinions on both sides. I do think that feeling is more prevalent than is known.

Flint 10-21-2010 03:58 PM
I often wonder whether what I'm observing people do is pretend to feel a certain way because they are "supposed to" ... and furthermore: do they realize that they are doing this, or is it embedded deep enough to escape their own self-perception? This thought often occurs to me when the "obviously right" thing doesn't feel obvious to me. The worst part of this is that it feels like a horrific dystopian sci-fi novel--but it is real, and it is really happening. A chorus of all-agreeing voices hammer down every inconsistency. This doesn't feel like enlightenment, it feels like intellectual tyranny.

Lamplighter 10-21-2010 04:27 PM
Do Catholics, Jews, or Amish in their customary attire make Juan nervous too ?
Probably not.

There's a bit of irony there...
People (used to) say that sort of thing about being on a bus with black men,
but of course Juan is not bigoted like those people.

In my opinion, these sort of events are part of the way society changes for the better.
When people see there are negative consequences of bigotry,
they tend to think twice about belittling the minority.


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