Evolution is quicker than they thought

[Jeboduuza]

Sure, Bruce. Sure.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire

Unless you're on this message board, eh?

That dude is not reading anyone else's posts.


I do respect my parents, I do not respect a great deal of what they do and say. AGAIN, you cannot read.

Also, evolution and Darwin don't have ANYTHING to do with atheism... where do you make that connection? I wish you answered questions... that would be funny.
Most Catholic and Episcopal schools teach evolution.
Atheism has nothing to do with science, I know many who do not give a shit about it at all.
All atheism is, is a lack of belief in god.
You are an atheist, do you believe Thor is the one true god of thunder, really?
Then you are an atheist to those who do.
Everyone is an atheist to someone else who is religious.

[Jeboduuza]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Atheism has nothing to do with science, I know many who do not give a shit about it at all.
All atheism is, is a lack of belief in god.
You are an atheist, do you believe Thor is the one true god of thunder, really?
Then you are an atheist to those who do.
Everyone is an atheist to someone else who is religious.

Since you edited and added it I wanted to address it. Merriam Webster Online.
Main Entry: athe·ist
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist
Function: noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
And to all my knowledge it means you do not believe in a higher power, period. Sounds like you are just twisting the word atheist. So if you claim to be an evolutionist, then are you an atheist too?

[Jeboduuza]

Listen I don't agree with creationists and the faithful. But I do not see any valid reason as to put them down. I mean there's enough religious wars between religions.

Does atheism and science really need to get involved?
The golden rule Bruce, do unto others as you want others to do unto you. I want the faithful to respect me and see me as a valid human being, just different from them. I will give them the same respect I expect from them. "Oh but they don't give you respect!" Yeah, the intolerant ones don't. I see past them, to the decent hearted faithful who respect me for my beliefs just as I do to them.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Jeboduuza

Listen I don't agree with creationists and the faithful. But I do not see any valid reason as to put them down. I mean there's enough religious wars between religions.

I'm glad you made the distinction between creationists and the faithful. While there is an overlap, the creationists are really a small part of the other. The only ones I'm attacking are the small percentage of the creationists that are directly and intensionally trying to discredit science. That's what, 1% of 10% of the faithful that have been educated in science? Actually I'm not attacking, but counterattacking the idiots that have attacked science.

Does atheism and science really need to get involved?

Atheism doesn't enter into it at all, where in hell do you get that from? Does science need to defend itself from creationists that are trying to discredit it? Hell yes, tooth and nail.

The golden rule Bruce, do unto others as you want others to do unto you. I want the faithful to respect me and see me as a valid human being, just different from them. I will give them the same respect I expect from them. "Oh but they don't give you respect!" Yeah, the intolerant ones don't. I see past them, to the decent hearted faithful who respect me for my beliefs just as I do to them.

Respect you? Of course I do, after last night I'll respect you for ever.
Seriously though, don't confuse who is the aggressor. Scientists have not attacked the faithful. It's that small percentage of creationists, the rabid ones, the ones trying to discredit science, the ones trying to further their agenda through the public schools, that are the aggressors.

[Jeboduuza]

Catholic schools. Teaching evolution. My best friend went to a Catholic school, so I know they don't. Are you fucking kidding me, rk, please tell me you are. That a private religious institution, teaches the ways of heresy. Really.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Jeboduuza

Catholic schools. Teaching evolution. My best friend went to a Catholic school, so I know they don't. Are you fucking kidding me, rk, please tell me you are. That a private religious institution, teaches the ways of heresy. Really.

Wrong. They teach the science of evolution at my daughters' Catholic school. There may be a backward program out there, but creationism is not a Catholic doctrine.

[Torrere]

I think that Jeb endorses a very lazy sort of tolerance. He fails to distinguish between religious moderates like rkzenrage's parents, and religious extremists like the Creationists. He does not distinguish between evangelicals, who often subscribe to creationism, and the Catholic Church, which says that God used evolution to fashion our bodies. He doesn't want to think about science or faith or the differences between them. He tries to avoid conflict between people who disagree by forcing both to shut up.

He espouses tolerance so that he doesn't have to learn about other people's beliefs -- he already superficially supports them. He writes a blank moral check for creationists and doesn't worry that they're trying to force creationism on school children. He writes a blank moral check for all of Hinduism, says it's all okay, and doesn't see the ugly caste system. He writes a blank moral check for all of Islam, says it's a religion of peace and scientific advancement, and doesn't worry himself about female genital mutilation.

He doesn't have any way to identify what's good and what's bad, nor what's right and what's wrong. So instead he claims that everything is good and anyone who says otherwise is bad.

Finally, he's not an athiest because he doesn't believe in God. He's an athiest because he doesn't want to go to church.

Originally Posted by Griff

Wrong. They teach the science of evolution at my daughters' Catholic school. There may be a backward program out there, but creationism is not a Catholic doctrine.

OMG!!!!!... you told him what to think!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Torrere

I think that Jeb endorses a very lazy sort of tolerance. He fails to distinguish between religious moderates like rkzenrage's parents, and religious extremists like the Creationists. He does not distinguish between evangelicals, who often subscribe to creationism, and the Catholic Church, which says that God used evolution to fashion our bodies. He doesn't want to think about science or faith or the differences between them. He tries to avoid conflict between people who disagree by forcing both to shut up.

He espouses tolerance so that he doesn't have to learn about other people's beliefs -- he already superficially supports them. He writes a blank moral check for creationists and doesn't worry that they're trying to force creationism on school children. He writes a blank moral check for all of Hinduism, says it's all okay, and doesn't see the ugly caste system. He writes a blank moral check for all of Islam, says it's a religion of peace and scientific advancement, and doesn't worry himself about female genital mutilation.

He doesn't have any way to identify what's good and what's bad, nor what's right and what's wrong. So instead he claims that everything is good and anyone who says otherwise is bad.

Finally, he's not an athiest because he doesn't believe in God. He's an athiest because he doesn't want to go to church.

Who ever stated what my parents beliefs are?
He made that up on his own... he does that, assumes stuff, or the magic word fairy shows him "things".
I like what you said, but I can break-it-down.
"if you disagree with someone's statements or belief and state that you are disrespecting the person" is what he is saying... UTTER bullshit.
Though I agree with the probability about moral relativism, he has not stated that, so I won't speculate on it.

Listen I don't agree with creationists and the faithful. But I do not see any valid reason as to put them down.

Cite where I, or anyone, put religious people down.
I am sick of your slander.

The only thing I have said that even comes close to a put-down is that you don't read. Not can't but don't.
But the evidence is clear on that.

Atheism and science are not involved, you are the only person that tries to link the two, they are not.

My best friend went to a Catholic school

When?

Hmmmm... none of my questions from ANY of my posts answered.
None of the challenges to his slander and baseless accusations against myself and others replied to.
Imagine that?

Got very quiet didn't it?

[wolf]

Jeb, I might listen too you, but your signature is too loud.

[piercehawkeye45]

Science has a different kind of tolerance as well. Science can not tolerate Creationism because there is no evidence to support it. Until there is evidence to show that Creationism is a legit possibility, it is placed in the same category as the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" or the theory where I go back in time 4 billion years, take a dump in a pond, and all of you are the products of my shit.

Science is based on evidence, possibility means nothing to science because there are an infinite amount of possibilities.