Gardasil - Page 4

monster · 04-04-2007, 10:46 PM

So do you have shares in Gardasil, Merc? Maybe HPV does cause cancer. Is it more cancerous than other things in our environment? Does it cause more cancer than the "shit happens" factor? Is the vaccine safe? What are the long term outcomes? The MMR vaccine was linked with autism. This took 30 years to come to light. Is it respoinsible behaviour to trust a vaccine that's only been around a couple of years? And yes, my kids had the MMR, but I did the research and weighed up the risks. Your OP proposes just wading on in there like there's noithing to lose. How do you know that?

lumberjim · 04-04-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Here, I can prove it and be proud of it as long as it pisses you off:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=13708

Go little "i" man! Good thing we don't have avatars or I would make your picture mine. In fact I think I will just pass it around the web.

to all of your friends, right? ok. have fun with that. i have some videos on youtube if you want to send those around too.

that's a Halloween costume, you fag. at least i wasn't wearing short shorts, Mary.

TheMercenary · 04-04-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

1.So do you have shares in Gardasil, Merc? 2.Maybe HPV does cause cancer. Is it more cancerous than other things in our environment? 3.Does it cause more cancer than the "shit happens" factor? 4. Is the vaccine safe? 5.What are the long term outcomes? 6.The MMR vaccine was linked with autism. This took 30 years to come to light. 7.Is it respoinsible behaviour to trust a vaccine that's only been around a couple of years? And yes, my kids had the MMR, but I did the research and weighed up the risks. Your OP proposes just wading on in there like there's noithing to lose. 8. How do you know that?

1. No.
2. No one knows.
3. Yes, as far as HPV is concerned it has been studied for years, it is the cause of most cervical cancer.
4. Yes, as far as the clinical trials have shown. I do believe it has been used overseas, like most of our drugs, much longer than in the US.
5. Longer than up to now? Who knows, but how is that different from any other drug? Are you going to not take the newest medications because they haven't been fully tested? How about if you or a family memeber gets a life threatening illness? are you going to say wait, it has not been around for 25 years, don't give me that. When will you trust the science.
6. That connection remains HIGHLY controversial at best.
7. See number 5.
8. No, what I said is look at what you would want for you or your kids future, make the best choice for you, I and people I work with say get it. I got it for my girls.

Ever see anyone with bad warts or cervical cancer, it ain't pretty. JMHO, oh, and some really good science.

TheMercenary · 04-04-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

to all of your friends, right? ok. have fun with that. i have some videos on youtube if you want to send those around too.

that's a Halloween costume, you fag. at least i wasn't wearing short shorts, Mary.

You look gay. And no I don't want your gay videos.

Now be quiet while the adults have a converstation.

lumberjim · 04-04-2007, 11:00 PM

did it set off your gaydar? you latent pickle chugger? you homophobic bonesmoker. your cock is assprone.

TheMercenary · 04-04-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

did it set off your gaydar? you latent pickle chugger? you homophobic bonesmoker. your cock is assprone.

Like I said, the adults are having a discussion, now put your costume on and go play with yourself and your dolly.

lumberjim · 04-04-2007, 11:08 PM

the adults think you're an asshole.

TheMercenary · 04-04-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

the adults think you're an asshole.

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=13708

lumberjim · 04-04-2007, 11:13 PM

www.clickhereifyou'regay.com

Beestie · 04-04-2007, 11:18 PM

O b E Y !

Seriously, though. Y'all need to stop giving Merck, oops, I mean, Merc a hard time. He's from the government and he wants to help you god-damnit and if you'll stop squirming for a minute it won't hurt nearly as much.

And if that don't do it for ya, Merck - damnit there I go again, Merc makes so much money that he pays AMT. I bet you don't pay AMT do you? Then there you have it. Now bend over.

TheMercenary · 04-04-2007, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beestie

O b E Y !

Seriously, though. Y'all need to stop giving Merck, oops, I mean, Merc a hard time. He's from the government and he wants to help you god-damnit and if you'll stop squirming for a minute it won't hurt nearly as much.

And if that don't do it for ya, Merck - damnit there I go again, Merc makes so much money that he pays AMT. I bet you don't pay AMT do you? Then there you have it. Now bend over.

I wish I had some Merck. But the AMT does suck. That is all. Continue please.

monster · 04-04-2007, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

2. No one knows.

>>>hm

3. Yes, as far as HPV is concerned it has been studied for years, it is the cause of most cervical cancer.

>>>please cite references? My family has a history of CC, but negative for HPV. Very interested in this.

4. Yes, as far as the clinical trials have shown. I do believe it has been used overseas, like most of our drugs, much longer than in the US.

>>>Really? Refs please.

5. Longer than up to now? Who knows, but how is that different from any other drug? Are you going to not take the newest medications because they haven't been fully tested? How about if you or a family memeber gets a life threatening illness? are you going to say wait, it has not been around for 25 years, don't give me that. When will you trust the science.

>>>For real? Hell no, I wouldn't take anything without serious evidence that it was going to be beneficial without side effects. When will I trust science? When i see real evidence. I have a Phd in "Science". I've seen what paracetamol/acetomenophen does to brain cells. (It implodes them alamringly quickly). That stuff's available off the shelves and has been around for decades. And you think we should trust this?

6. That connection remains HIGHLY controversial at best.

>>>Oh, I agree, and as I mentioned our kids had the MMR. But the point is it tooke years for a tentative connection to be made.

7. See number 5.

>>>back atcha

8. No, what I said is look at what you would want for you or your kids future, make the best choice for you, I and people I work with say get it. I got it for my girls.

Ever see anyone with bad warts or cervical cancer, it ain't pretty. JMHO, oh, and some really good science.

>>>What Really Good Science? Who are "you and the people you work with"? If you have other information about this, why didn't you share it at the time of the OP?

TheMercenary · 04-04-2007, 11:45 PM

Overseas research:
The HPV Research Group was formed in 1996, when three investigators, Drs. Nancy Kiviat, Laura Koutsky, and Cathy Critchlow, who had collaborated together on numerous projects at the University of Washington for a number of years, sought office space together. Dr. Kiviat, Chief of Pathology at Harborview Medical Center and head of a clinical and research laboratory, and Drs. Koutsky and Critchlow, Epidemiologists in the University of Washington School of Public Health, had long been studying human papillomavirus (HPV), anogenital neoplasia, and cancer in numerous study populations, including University students, men who have sex with men in Seattle, as well as women in Senegal, West Africa. Recently, the HPV Research Group has been involved in studies regarding the natural history of incident HPV infection in young women, the effect of HIV infection on development anal neoplasia in men and cervical neoplasia and cancer in women, development of biomarkers for early detection of cervical cancer in women, the association of HPV with skin cancer, and the first evaluations of HPV vaccines. During the last few years, the HPV Research Group has participated in multi-center trials and has collaborated in multidisciplinary research efforts with investigators at institutions as varied as the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, the University of Dakar in Senegal, West Africa, the University of Texas, Deutsches Krebsforschungszentrum in Heidelberg, Germany, the Oxford University in the United Kingdom, Corixa Corporation, Merck Pharmaceuticals, and Roche Molecular Diagnostics, as well as numerous departments within the University of Washington.
http://www.pathology.washington.edu/.../HPV/research/

More overseas research:
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/medicine/ob.../document_view

Cancer HPV connection:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/hpv-vaccines

http://www.scripps.org/News.asp?ID=157

Georgetown’s Chair of the Pathology Department at the Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center developed the vaccine with a team of colleagues. It took more than 20 years to achieve this major medical breakthrough. http://www.georgetownuniversityhospi....cfm?id=555891

HPV viruses are associated with almost ALL cases of cervical cancer
http://hpvstudy.bol.ucla.edu/index.htm

There is just so much stuff out there, all from major medical research facilities around the world. Just look. This is but a small sample.

Aliantha · 04-05-2007, 01:29 AM

Gee, I thought this was going to be a serious discussion.

Personally I have had my kids vaccinated for pretty much the standard stuff such as polio, tetanus etc. I live in a country which has had the foresight to encourage people to do so in the past and now childhood measles and things like polio and tetanus are virtually unheard of.

Yes there are risks, but if I lived in a society that didn't encourage vaccination, my children would have had a much higher risk of blindness from measles or becoming cripples thanks to polio.

I very rarely take my kids to the doctor unless they're really sick. I value their own immune systems working for them and in our household we prefer to try and relieve the symptoms of common illness rather than take drugs which in most cases are unnecessary.

These are my arguments for vaccination and I would probably recommend my daughter have this injection. That being said, it wouldn't be necessary till she became sexually active, so there's every chance that I'd leave the decision up to her to make. After all, if a person is old enough to be responsible for thier sexuality, they're old enough to be responsible for their sexual health.

TheMercenary · 04-05-2007, 08:56 AM

The vaccine is most effective before they become sexually active.

Australian Government Funding Of Gardasil®
Fact sheet about the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccines.

An ongoing target group of 12 and 13 year old girls in a school-based program, generally delivered in the first year of high school
A catch-up group of 13-18 year old girls in a largely school-based program
A further catch-up group of women up to and including 26 years of age in a community-based program generally delivered through general practice.

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wc...rdasil_hpv.htm

04-04-2007, 10:46 PM	#46
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	So do you have shares in Gardasil, Merc? Maybe HPV does cause cancer. Is it more cancerous than other things in our environment? Does it cause more cancer than the "shit happens" factor? Is the vaccine safe? What are the long term outcomes? The MMR vaccine was linked with autism. This took 30 years to come to light. Is it respoinsible behaviour to trust a vaccine that's only been around a couple of years? And yes, my kids had the MMR, but I did the research and weighed up the risks. Your OP proposes just wading on in there like there's noithing to lose. How do you know that? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

04-04-2007, 11:00 PM	#50
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04-04-2007, 11:08 PM	#52
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04-04-2007, 11:13 PM	#54
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04-04-2007, 11:18 PM	#55
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	O b E Y ! Seriously, though. Y'all need to stop giving Merck, oops, I mean, Merc a hard time. He's from the government and he wants to help you god-damnit and if you'll stop squirming for a minute it won't hurt nearly as much. And if that don't do it for ya, Merck - damnit there I go again, Merc makes so much money that he pays AMT. I bet you don't pay AMT do you? Then there you have it. Now bend over. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

04-04-2007, 11:45 PM	#58
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Overseas research: The HPV Research Group was formed in 1996, when three investigators, Drs. Nancy Kiviat, Laura Koutsky, and Cathy Critchlow, who had collaborated together on numerous projects at the University of Washington for a number of years, sought office space together. Dr. Kiviat, Chief of Pathology at Harborview Medical Center and head of a clinical and research laboratory, and Drs. Koutsky and Critchlow, Epidemiologists in the University of Washington School of Public Health, had long been studying human papillomavirus (HPV), anogenital neoplasia, and cancer in numerous study populations, including University students, men who have sex with men in Seattle, as well as women in Senegal, West Africa. Recently, the HPV Research Group has been involved in studies regarding the natural history of incident HPV infection in young women, the effect of HIV infection on development anal neoplasia in men and cervical neoplasia and cancer in women, development of biomarkers for early detection of cervical cancer in women, the association of HPV with skin cancer, and the first evaluations of HPV vaccines. During the last few years, the HPV Research Group has participated in multi-center trials and has collaborated in multidisciplinary research efforts with investigators at institutions as varied as the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, the University of Dakar in Senegal, West Africa, the University of Texas, Deutsches Krebsforschungszentrum in Heidelberg, Germany, the Oxford University in the United Kingdom, Corixa Corporation, Merck Pharmaceuticals, and Roche Molecular Diagnostics, as well as numerous departments within the University of Washington. http://www.pathology.washington.edu/.../HPV/research/ More overseas research: http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/medicine/ob.../document_view Cancer HPV connection: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/hpv-vaccines http://www.scripps.org/News.asp?ID=157 Georgetown’s Chair of the Pathology Department at the Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center developed the vaccine with a team of colleagues. It took more than 20 years to achieve this major medical breakthrough. http://www.georgetownuniversityhospi....cfm?id=555891 HPV viruses are associated with almost ALL cases of cervical cancer http://hpvstudy.bol.ucla.edu/index.htm There is just so much stuff out there, all from major medical research facilities around the world. Just look. This is but a small sample. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-05-2007, 01:29 AM	#59
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Gee, I thought this was going to be a serious discussion. Personally I have had my kids vaccinated for pretty much the standard stuff such as polio, tetanus etc. I live in a country which has had the foresight to encourage people to do so in the past and now childhood measles and things like polio and tetanus are virtually unheard of. Yes there are risks, but if I lived in a society that didn't encourage vaccination, my children would have had a much higher risk of blindness from measles or becoming cripples thanks to polio. I very rarely take my kids to the doctor unless they're really sick. I value their own immune systems working for them and in our household we prefer to try and relieve the symptoms of common illness rather than take drugs which in most cases are unnecessary. These are my arguments for vaccination and I would probably recommend my daughter have this injection. That being said, it wouldn't be necessary till she became sexually active, so there's every chance that I'd leave the decision up to her to make. After all, if a person is old enough to be responsible for thier sexuality, they're old enough to be responsible for their sexual health. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

04-05-2007, 08:56 AM	#60
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	The vaccine is most effective before they become sexually active. Australian Government Funding Of Gardasil® Fact sheet about the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) vaccines. An ongoing target group of 12 and 13 year old girls in a school-based program, generally delivered in the first year of high school A catch-up group of 13-18 year old girls in a largely school-based program A further catch-up group of women up to and including 26 years of age in a community-based program generally delivered through general practice. http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wc...rdasil_hpv.htm __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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