There are no illegal immigrants in America - Page 20

classicman · 01-03-2008, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar

We the people = the common man according to your quotation. Who is more common than the people living inside America?

The citizens of the United States.
This is as blatantly obvious to me as your view is to you.

Radar · 01-03-2008, 07:57 AM

We the people = everyone living within the borders of the United States. It's painfully obvious that all people are born with the same rights regardless of their citizenship and that the Constitution was designed to protect the rights of EVERYONE in the United States. EVERYONE has the right to due process, to a trial by jury, to the presumption of innocence, to freedom of speech, to freedom of religion, etc. and the Constitution was made to protect those rights for EVERYONE living in America regardless of their immigration status.

Ibby · 01-03-2008, 08:29 AM

NO ONLY MY BLATNTLY OBVIUS IDEAS R RITE

classicman · 01-03-2008, 08:31 AM

Radar, we agreed to disagree last night and now you are starting the same old argument again. Why? Has something radically changed with the constitution overnight?

Radar · 01-03-2008, 09:13 AM

No, I just wanted to have the last post.

classicman · 01-03-2008, 09:18 AM

not gonna happen - LOL

regular.joe · 01-03-2008, 10:57 AM

I've worked as a Drill Sergeant. One of the questions I would ask new recruits during some down time is this: How many amendments are there to that document that you all swore to protect and defend?
I'd say 2 to 5 out of 120 guys knew the correct answer.

Another question that I asked one day to a room full of young soldiers, was: What is the birthday of the United States. Maybe it was the wording, I don't know....only 10% out of 240 of these mugs knew the answer. For a period of about 1.5 years I asked every group that came through that question, same result...10%. Most of that 10% were foreign nationals.

It has been a great, spirited discussion. I for one take very seriously my oath of enlistment. I have read the constitution, hell I swore an oath to protect and defend it. This discussion has driven me to read it again, and to look at a lot of commentary as well. Thank you.

One of the greatest things about our nation is our diversity, along with our great freedoms. It's an awesome thing that we can have discussion, and one or more of us is not locked up for voicing our opinions. However different those opinions may be. I used to have a copy of the constitution printed by the Congress, a little blue book. In the beginning of the book was a letter from the members of the Congress that ratified the constitution. The process was one of compromise. Everyone had to give something up. It is one of the great lessons of our nation.

Thank you for the discussion, and have a happy and prosperous year!

Undertoad · 01-03-2008, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe

How many amendments are there to that document that you all swore to protect and defend?

That's a really hard question. I had to look it up. (answer in white text below)

27

regular.joe · 01-03-2008, 11:10 AM

27.

robsterman1 · 01-03-2008, 12:18 PM

the USA's borders are so porous, especially along the coastlines as guards are rather thinly posted. Thus its easy to enter the country by boat. Isn't such a thing to be scared of?

glatt · 01-03-2008, 12:40 PM

Robsterman, coming out of the troll slamming thread to join the rest of us. Robster!

TheMercenary · 01-03-2008, 01:08 PM

The Constitution of The United States of America only applies to legal citizens of the US, not to illegal aliens who are basically criminals.

classicman · 01-03-2008, 01:19 PM

Ohh Noo, not again?!?!?!

Maybe we should have a cellar vote and settle it that way.

TheMercenary · 01-03-2008, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

Ohh Noo, not again?!?!?!

Maybe we should have a cellar vote and settle it that way.

"And now for something completely different."

BigV · 01-03-2008, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The Constitution of The United States of America only applies to legal citizens of the US, not to illegal aliens who are basically criminals.

What?

If the Constitution, the very basis upon which all our other laws are founded, does not apply to non citizens, what does apply? What other laws apply if our Constitution does not?

01-03-2008, 07:57 AM	#287
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	We the people = everyone living within the borders of the United States. It's painfully obvious that all people are born with the same rights regardless of their citizenship and that the Constitution was designed to protect the rights of EVERYONE in the United States. EVERYONE has the right to due process, to a trial by jury, to the presumption of innocence, to freedom of speech, to freedom of religion, etc. and the Constitution was made to protect those rights for EVERYONE living in America regardless of their immigration status. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-03-2008, 08:29 AM	#288
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	NO ONLY MY BLATNTLY OBVIUS IDEAS R RITE __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-03-2008, 08:31 AM	#289
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Radar, we agreed to disagree last night and now you are starting the same old argument again. Why? Has something radically changed with the constitution overnight? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-03-2008, 09:13 AM	#290
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	No, I just wanted to have the last post. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-03-2008, 09:18 AM	#291
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	not gonna happen - LOL __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-03-2008, 10:57 AM	#292
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	I've worked as a Drill Sergeant. One of the questions I would ask new recruits during some down time is this: How many amendments are there to that document that you all swore to protect and defend? I'd say 2 to 5 out of 120 guys knew the correct answer. Another question that I asked one day to a room full of young soldiers, was: What is the birthday of the United States. Maybe it was the wording, I don't know....only 10% out of 240 of these mugs knew the answer. For a period of about 1.5 years I asked every group that came through that question, same result...10%. Most of that 10% were foreign nationals. It has been a great, spirited discussion. I for one take very seriously my oath of enlistment. I have read the constitution, hell I swore an oath to protect and defend it. This discussion has driven me to read it again, and to look at a lot of commentary as well. Thank you. One of the greatest things about our nation is our diversity, along with our great freedoms. It's an awesome thing that we can have discussion, and one or more of us is not locked up for voicing our opinions. However different those opinions may be. I used to have a copy of the constitution printed by the Congress, a little blue book. In the beginning of the book was a letter from the members of the Congress that ratified the constitution. The process was one of compromise. Everyone had to give something up. It is one of the great lessons of our nation. Thank you for the discussion, and have a happy and prosperous year! __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

01-03-2008, 11:10 AM	#294
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	27. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

01-03-2008, 12:18 PM	#295
robsterman1 A worldly dude Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hartford, CT USA Posts: 127	the USA's borders are so porous, especially along the coastlines as guards are rather thinly posted. Thus its easy to enter the country by boat. Isn't such a thing to be scared of? __________________ Live life on the BETTER side :-)

01-03-2008, 12:40 PM	#296
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Robsterman, coming out of the troll slamming thread to join the rest of us. Robster!

01-03-2008, 01:08 PM	#297
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	The Constitution of The United States of America only applies to legal citizens of the US, not to illegal aliens who are basically criminals. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-03-2008, 01:19 PM	#298
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Ohh Noo, not again?!?!?! Maybe we should have a cellar vote and settle it that way. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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