#2 VS #14 - Page 2

dmg1969 · 08-06-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Increasing manpower would mean enlarging the federal government and increasing taxes. The same people who want to stop illegal immigration don't want to enlarge the federal government or increase taxes.

I can't speak for others but I do NOT have a problem adding manpower to the ICE and Border Patrol. What I (and others I'm sure) have a problem with and think about when we mention big government is the bureaucracy and having a czar for everything. We don't need more red tape...we just need to enforce the laws we have and give ourselves the means (manpower) to do the job.

In fact, I support mobilizing the national guard...but in an ENFORCEMENT capacity. Putting a few national guard troops down there with some technology is a band-aid on a gaping wound. Put them down there and give them the same arrest powers as the border patrol agents have. Our leaders have pussy-footed around too long and America is PISSED.

Shawnee123 · 08-04-2010, 01:03 PM

To sum it up...
1. The 14th Amendment is about freedom and protecting our democracy. Are you anti-foreigner people against freedom and protecting the democracy (upon which our country was founded)?
2. The 2nd Amendment needs to be changed to close this giant loophole which allows a flood of crazy people to buy semi-automatic assault rifles.

Yep, matter of perspective.

Either off limits, or not. Guess what...NOT.

dmg1969 · 08-04-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

To sum it up...
1. The 14th Amendment is about freedom and protecting our democracy. Are you anti-foreigner people against freedom and protecting the democracy (upon which our country was founded)?

Not at all. I just ask them to come here legally like my grandparents did. That's all.

2. The 2nd Amendment needs to be changed to close this giant loophole which allows a flood of crazy people to buy semi-automatic assault rifles.

I myself am not crazy nor do I own any semi-auto rifles. Are handguns OK in your book? I own several of those and carry one for protection. Believe me...I am not against sensible gun laws and checks. Where I draw the line is an outright ban like DC and Chicago.

Yep, matter of perspective.

And that means YOUR perspective?

Either off limits, or not. Guess what...NOT.

So that means the 14th is also not off limits, right?

Awesome back and forth, Shawnee.

Shawnee123 · 08-04-2010, 02:37 PM

Hmmm, making the point that our perspectives differ but you turn it around to "my" perspective. Huh what?

As I said, they're all off limits or they're not. Yeah, I figured you would understand that I meant the 14th too. I should be more clear.

I don't give a fuck about guns, I give a fuck about people saying gun amendments are untouchable and other amendements aren't. However, you turn this into your personal agenda, it matters not to me.

Why do all y'all argue exactly the same way?

dmg1969 · 08-04-2010, 03:03 PM

I guess it's just how us God-fearing, gun-toting, freedom lovers are wired.

Pete Zicato · 08-05-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dmg1969

I myself am not crazy

Possibly. But you may not be the best judge of that.

dmg1969 · 08-05-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Possibly. But you may not be the best judge of that.

but you would be, right?

Pete Zicato · 08-05-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dmg1969

but you would be, right?

Noooo. But I bet Wolf could do it.

Anyway, the truth is that I was pulling your leg and it came off in my hand.

lookout123 · 08-04-2010, 01:50 PM

Oh, I see what you did there. You clever girl, you.

Shawnee123 · 08-04-2010, 03:17 PM

Awww, you're not weird, just different than me.

Oh, oops, I can't read either!

dmg1969 · 08-04-2010, 03:24 PM

Hey! Who said I'm not weird. Just ask my wife.

Gravdigr · 08-04-2010, 04:28 PM

The Constitution of the United States of America is a living document. It is changeable, and was meant to be changed, as required, by the current opinions of the American Citizenry. If the majority of those opinions line up with yours, great. If your in the minority on a given issue, not so much.

Pete Zicato · 08-05-2010, 10:48 AM

The constitution is the operating system of the united states. It may need to be tweaked, but you better be damned careful of the results before you apply the changes.

First you'd have to convince me that this is a bug that needs to be fixed.

dmg1969 · 08-05-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

The constitution is the operating system of the united states. It may need to be tweaked, but you better be damned careful of the results before you apply the changes.

First you'd have to convince me that this is a bug that needs to be fixed.

I'd say that all of the money we spend on illegals annually and the crimes they commit make it a pretty damn big bug.

Pete Zicato · 08-05-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmg1969

I'd say that all of the money we spend on illegals annually and the crimes they commit make it a pretty damn big bug.

How much is that in dollars, and do you have substantiated documentation to back it up?
How does that compare to the general population?

If you can do all that, then make a case that this problem can only be fixed through a change to the constitution - as opposed to just enforcing the laws we already have.

If we stop looking the other way when employers hire undocumented workers and if we stopped providing government support, then I suspect we'd have a lot fewer undocumented workers.

08-04-2010, 02:37 PM	#4
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Hmmm, making the point that our perspectives differ but you turn it around to "my" perspective. Huh what? As I said, they're all off limits or they're not. Yeah, I figured you would understand that I meant the 14th too. I should be more clear. I don't give a fuck about guns, I give a fuck about people saying gun amendments are untouchable and other amendements aren't. However, you turn this into your personal agenda, it matters not to me. Why do all y'all argue exactly the same way? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-04-2010, 03:03 PM	#5
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	I guess it's just how us God-fearing, gun-toting, freedom lovers are wired. __________________ Void where prohibited. Your results may vary. Not intended for resale. Do not remove tag. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

08-04-2010, 01:50 PM	#9
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08-04-2010, 03:17 PM	#10
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Awww, you're not weird, just different than me. Oh, oops, I can't read either! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-04-2010, 03:24 PM	#11
dmg1969 I got nothing Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central PA Posts: 486	Hey! Who said I'm not weird. Just ask my wife. __________________ Void where prohibited. Your results may vary. Not intended for resale. Do not remove tag. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

08-04-2010, 01:03 PM	#2
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	To sum it up... 1. The 14th Amendment is about freedom and protecting our democracy. Are you anti-foreigner people against freedom and protecting the democracy (upon which our country was founded)? 2. The 2nd Amendment needs to be changed to close this giant loophole which allows a flood of crazy people to buy semi-automatic assault rifles. Yep, matter of perspective. Either off limits, or not. Guess what...NOT. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-04-2010, 04:28 PM	#12
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	The Constitution of the United States of America is a living document. It is changeable, and was meant to be changed, as required, by the current opinions of the American Citizenry. If the majority of those opinions line up with yours, great. If your in the minority on a given issue, not so much. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

08-05-2010, 10:48 AM	#13
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	The constitution is the operating system of the united states. It may need to be tweaked, but you better be damned careful of the results before you apply the changes. First you'd have to convince me that this is a bug that needs to be fixed. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

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