Old Navy Summer Commercial

[jinx]

You can, and obviously do, have your opinion. And I can tell you what I think of it. If you only want to be agreed with, maybe stick with the PM's on this subject.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by jinx

You can, and obviously do, have your opinion. And I can tell you what I think of it. If you only want to be agreed with, maybe stick with the PM's on this subject.

Perhaps I deserve this, due to past transgressions. I just never thought you would call me out about an opinion about a commercial. Like you were just waiting. Not agreeing and making a personal attack are two different things.

I've always admired you, and think that you are a class act. Perhaps a "Bash the fuck out of Shawnee" thread would be more to everyone's liking.

[LabRat]

Originally Posted by jinx

Oh please. Self mutilation? interesting article about weight and longevity RK.

As for the ad, eh. Teen girls are usually skinny and boney until their puberty driven growth spurt is over if they lay off the booze and Coldstone.

As for the article, my without having done virtually any reading on the subject is this: It is known that fat is where many toxins collect in the body. So it follows that the less fat you have, the less toxins you are generally exposed to, which likely a contributing factor to longer life. Also, being overweight is correlated with persons level of quality physical activity being lower, and physical activity stimulates the body's immune system and decreases levels of stress hormones, which also will help lead to better survival outcomes. Does this actually lead to a longer life? Longer by how much no one can really know. I mean do YOU know when you are 'supposed' to die? So how can you know if you actually ARE living longer by doing the 'right' things???? *shrug*

There was just a radio blip yesterday on our local station about a dude who just celebrated his 100th birthday, who smokes (since he was 20) and drinks hard liquor every day.

Stop worrying and spend that time enjoying the things around you, and frankly, whatever life you have been alotted should be better quality, which IMHO is better than quantity.

[Shawnee123]

Very well said and true, LR.

I don't think what I said was anything new; there have been millions of articles and studies about women's self-image and advertising. Do I wish I were 6'3" and 120 lbs? Probably. Do I think that's a healthy goal? No. (Besides the fact I think my growth spurt is long over) :p

But, I did say millions of women, so that does not necessarily include me. I think I'm beautiful. There are women who starve themselves to try to look like those models, because that is perceived to be the ideal among young women.

I'll try to eat more Special K.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Perhaps I deserve this, due to past transgressions. I just never thought you would call me out about an opinion about a commercial. Like you were just waiting. Not agreeing and making a personal attack are two different things.

I've always admired you, and think that you are a class act. Perhaps a "Bash the fuck out of Shawnee" thread would be more to everyone's liking.

I'm not even close to bashing you here Shawnee, but I do have a problem with people blaming others for their own unhappiness. If you're not physically attracted to a certain body type, who cares, that holds true for everyone. But to make snarky comments because you're unhappy with yourself.... is just shitty. That's my opinion.

And despite all the articles about self image and advertising - obesity numbers continue to climb.

[Shawnee123]

Please show me where I was particularly snarky towards these women, except for laughing at wolf's coatrack comment (which apparently didn't set off alarms for you.) Nor did I say I was unhappy with myself. I don't think I was shitty to anyone. That's my opinion.

Have you seen me? Do you think me a giant slob? I assure you I am not. I have much to offer besides my looks, too.

Amazing that a silly opinion about a stupid commercial has me being labeled an unhappy hag tearing everyone else down. Despite my human foibles and mistakes, I will be the first person to compliment someone, I will be the first person to point out my own faults as well as my virtues. I am not always nice, for sure. I am not perfect. But you could limit yourself to calling me out when I've actually been an ass...not waiting like a spider to call me a shitty human being.

[jinx]

I'm responding to your posts Shawnee, not your picture. I'm sure you're beautiful but that's not my point at all.

[Shawnee123]

It's not my point either. That was in response to the accusation that I somehow was shitty and snarky to these women in a commercial because I am unhappy, with the presumption being that I'm fat...therefore jealous.

Please show me where I was particularly snarky towards these women, except for laughing at wolf's coatrack comment (which apparently didn't set off alarms for you.) Nor did I say I was unhappy with myself. I don't think I was shitty to anyone

I don't think what I said was anything new; there have been millions of articles and studies about women's self-image and advertising. Do I wish I were 6'3" and 120 lbs? Probably. Do I think that's a healthy goal? No. (Besides the fact I think my growth spurt is long over)

Amazing that a silly opinion about a stupid commercial has me being labeled an unhappy hag tearing everyone else down.

Repondez s'il vous plait.

Originally Posted by wolf

If it is, I seriously don't get what Rzen's on about ... not a single goth or emo in the ad. Just a bunch of coatracks wearing bathing suits.

Who said anything about goth or emo? What are you reading?

obesity numbers continue to climb

As do deaths from eating disorders.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

Ever go to the mall and there's this pregnant lady on the wall and you're like "...they need to tone it down with these mom-to-be advertising" and after a double take you see the fatty arms and no definition in the shoulders and then you realize she's a plus size model. I guess that's what Old Navy was looking for, though I haven't seen the commercial.

I haven't seen the ad because I'm not Stateside (obv!) and the link doesn't work for me on this PC. BUT. In response to the above... I don't know what it's like in the US, but in the UK the largest plus size model the agencies will book is a UK size 16. Now when I am a UK size 16 my BMI is well within healthy range. And I am 5'8". Most of the models employed are taller, meaning the largest model ever seen here (even in adverts for plus-size clothing) has a lower BMI. She is healthy. Unless it's different in the US I think you are being an arse, Fresh.

Jinx I know you are naturally slim. I read an old thread where some people were calling you out on how much you weighed and I felt it was very unfair. I also know LabRat works hard to maintain her look (and I'm sure it's more to do with fitness than appearance from everything she has posted).

But I don't think having an opinion on size zero models (my guess, remember I haven't seen the ad) has any bearing on the weight or size of any Dwellar. I am very unhappy with my body. I am also totally responsible for how it looks, although my caveat is that my current frame of mind plays a large (ahem) part. However I am entitled to say that I believe there is an unhealthy trend towards unnaturally thin women in advertising.

Women who don't conform to the normal rules of weight/ shape/ BMI have a right to feel proud of their bodies, their shape, their size. But if the majority of women at the lower end of the scale are NOT healthy, and that is being pushed as a desirable look, then there is cause for concern. No?

[lizzymahoney]

If it's the ad with the swimsuits, it is young women with mix and match skimpy bathing suit parts, strolling around a pool and deck with a few boys for eye candy. The girls are all tall and slender. No shocker. They just stroll around with different camera perspectives and some computerized effects. I think they drag a few frames of the video out in time with the contemporary music. The sexuality is implied rather than overt.

I don't like or dislike it. It's probably effective for the target audience.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Who said anything about goth or emo? What are you reading?

Your words.

"Self Mutilation"

Cutting or burning without an intention of ending your life.

There isn't any in the ad.

[Hime]

Originally Posted by wolf

Your words.

"Self Mutilation"

Cutting or burning without an intention of ending your life.

There isn't any in the ad.

I think rk is saying that being that thin is self-mutilation because it must mean that they are starving themselves.

I don't think so -- my best friend is so thin you can count his ribs, and he goes out for dessert with us several times a week, plus keeps candy in his desk at work. He just has a nutty metabolism.

[bluecuracao]

I saw the ad last night, finally. The model at the very beginning was kind of voluptuous...for a model, anyway. I don't think any of the other girls looked grotesquely thin, but the guy could have used a few cheeseburgers (muscled men with ribs showing = )

[piercehawkeye45]

Wait, wait, wait. 6'3''? Do you guys really want to be 6'3''? I would think 5'7'' - 5'10'' would be preferable, maybe I was wrong.