What will happen if the Dem's win in November? - Page 2

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-23-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

You didn't just pass the blame for this war...

Come on, Griff... I've already explained elsewhere why I think this war is blameless, both from a Libertarian point of view as well as an American nationalist one: in a nutshell, removing nondemocracies and replacing them with democracies, especially ones with enough self-confidence to destroy and devour anti-democratic groups within and anti-democratic foes without, is nothing but good for all mankind.

That is and will always be why I think I'm a stronger libertarian than you are. Libertarianism must not be a mere hothouse flower, that can only flourish in a benevolent U.S. environment; it should be something that can not merely defeat its enemies, but ruin them.

Flint · 10-18-2006, 12:10 PM

Reminds me of a bumper sticker on my wife's car: the problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them (paraphrase)...

10-19-2006, 08:57 AM

Well, one thing that will happen is that John Mc Cain will commit suicide. Here's a snip I came across on another discussion board:

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McCain spoke at a mid-day news conference in Des Moines, where McCain was asked what his reaction would be to a Democratic take-over of the Senate.

"I think I'd just commit suicide," McCain said, as the Republicans standing beside him burst into laughter. "I don't want to face that eventuality because I don't think it's going to happen...I think it's going to be tough, but I think we'll do o.k."

http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go....ator=local.cfm

Clodfobble · 10-19-2006, 11:52 AM

You say "national gridlock between the President, Congress, and the Supremes" like that would be a bad thing.

IMO, government functions best for me when it's severely hog-tied.

10-19-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

You say "national gridlock between the President, Congress, and the Supremes" like that would be a bad thing.

IMO, government functions best for me when it's severely hog-tied.

Are you talking to me? If so, gridlock might just be the best we could hope for. At least the gov't couldn't take anymore of our liberties away.

Cicero · 10-19-2006, 01:15 PM

Hi I'm new here- not sure where to go! This seems to be an interesting thread however, so I thought I might jump in! Is there a thread for newbies that I'm missing? As for the topic at hand:
Politics as usual- Just because you have won a battle does not mean you have won a war. Not that I'm completely cynical. I'm pretty sure huge progress could be made from there. Now, let me go back and actually vote.
-Already misspelling the obvious.

warch · 10-19-2006, 01:47 PM

Maybe some accountability? Maybe some moderation? Maybe some attention to the scientific and scholarly community rather than just corporations and their sponsored ideological think-tanks. (Not that those wont still be influential, just maybe not the only input.) Maybe some debate about important issues, now a bit more in play, less rubberstamping done deals with the WH.

I think change would be a relief to Bush. Then he can do what he must know needs to be done with/ in/ to Iraq, change course not stay the course, and have options to blame the other side if things get worse, yet still make a claim to leadership if things maintain or even (dare say) improve. It gives him some sympathy room.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-19-2006, 03:57 PM

Good point, warch. Gives bush's biographers a scapegoat, when they are trying to argue he's not the worst President in history.

10-20-2006, 01:19 PM

Most things will get better.

MaggieL · 10-20-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Most things will get better.

"Better" as in "better cache your guns if you want to keep them".

Happy Monkey · 10-20-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

"Better" as in "better cache your guns if you want to keep them".

Gun control is over. There is no significant gun control effort in the Democratic party anymore.

10-20-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Gun control is over. There is no significant gun control effort in the Democratic party anymore.

Exactly, especially in the South & West. They know it harms them. Just not an important issue.

MaggieL · 10-20-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Gun control is over. There is no significant gun control effort in the Democratic party anymore.

There's no significant effort in the Democratic Party anymore.

But they still make a lot of noise, and if they gain some power they'll be carving away at the same old stuff.

Happy Monkey · 10-20-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

But they still make a lot of noise,

Not really. Other than background checks, but I would assume you support that, based on your support for felon ownership restrictions.

Flint · 10-20-2006, 01:57 PM

Boogey-Man Politics...

I'll bet that's the answer.

View Poll Results: What do you think a Democrat majority in Congress will mean for the US/
I think the Dem's will make Bush acountable at last	4	9.52%
I think there will just be nation gridlok between the President, ongress and the Supremes	12	28.57%
I think Bush may get impeached	1	2.38%
I think it will just be politics as usual	17	40.48%
It would be a disaster for the US	15	35.71%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

10-18-2006, 12:10 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Reminds me of a bumper sticker on my wife's car: the problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them (paraphrase)... __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-19-2006, 01:15 PM	#6
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Hi I'm new here- not sure where to go! This seems to be an interesting thread however, so I thought I might jump in! Is there a thread for newbies that I'm missing? As for the topic at hand: Politics as usual- Just because you have won a battle does not mean you have won a war. Not that I'm completely cynical. I'm pretty sure huge progress could be made from there. Now, let me go back and actually vote. -Already misspelling the obvious. Last edited by Cicero; 10-19-2006 at 01:19 PM.

10-19-2006, 03:57 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Good point, warch. Gives bush's biographers a scapegoat, when they are trying to argue he's not the worst President in history. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-20-2006, 01:57 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Boogey-Man Politics... I'll bet that's the answer. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-19-2006, 11:52 AM	#4
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	You say "national gridlock between the President, Congress, and the Supremes" like that would be a bad thing. IMO, government functions best for me when it's severely hog-tied.

10-19-2006, 01:47 PM	#7
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Maybe some accountability? Maybe some moderation? Maybe some attention to the scientific and scholarly community rather than just corporations and their sponsored ideological think-tanks. (Not that those wont still be influential, just maybe not the only input.) Maybe some debate about important issues, now a bit more in play, less rubberstamping done deals with the WH. I think change would be a relief to Bush. Then he can do what he must know needs to be done with/ in/ to Iraq, change course not stay the course, and have options to blame the other side if things get worse, yet still make a claim to leadership if things maintain or even (dare say) improve. It gives him some sympathy room.

10-20-2006, 01:19 PM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Most things will get better.

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