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marichiko 10-17-2006 01:40 PM

What will happen if the Dem's win in November?
 
What do you think will happen if the Dem's actually get a 2/3 majority in Congress this November? Will Bush finally have to be accountable to the American people? Might he even get impeached? Or will it just be two years of grid lock. Or just business as usual since one party is really just as bad as the other?

PS sorry about the typos, but I guess you can't edit polls once they're posted

Happy Monkey 10-17-2006 02:00 PM

They won't get a 2/3 majority. They would need to pick up 87 seats in the House, and that is all but guaranteed not to happen. They would need to pick up 21 in the Senate, and that actually is impossible. Therefore no impeachment.

Bush will be held more accoutable than he has been. Some of the toothless investigations and commissions may gain teeth, and any new ones will be fiercer, but Democrats just don't have it in them to go very far with that unless they happen upon something that is an absolute slam-dunk.

Gridlock is possible, as it isn't possible for the Dems to get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, let alone a veto-proof one.

Spexxvet 10-17-2006 02:22 PM

The Dems could proceed with the impeachment process, knowing full well that they don't have the votes to actually accomplish it - sound familiar?

Dems gaining control could have a positive effect. Clinton became a centrist because of congress's make up. Maybe W will do the same thing. Unlikely, but maybe. Things may very well be like they were in the late 90s, just reversed, party-wise.

Happy Monkey 10-17-2006 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet
The Dems could proceed with the impeachment process, knowing full well that they don't have the votes to actually accomplish it - sound familiar?

They could, but they won't. It just isn't in them.

Shawnee123 10-17-2006 03:34 PM

Where's the "we pray they try to impeach" choice?

Ohhh no...am I going to get into trouble like that girl did with her blog? Are they really....watching? :worried:

xoxoxoBruce 10-17-2006 06:49 PM

I would hope Bush would be forced to explain/defend his signing letters.:rtfm:

MaggieL 10-17-2006 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko
What do you think will happen if the Dem's actually get a 2/3 majority in Congress this November?

Did you mean in the Senate, in the House, or both?

marichiko 10-18-2006 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL
Did you mean in the Senate, in the House, or both?

As HM so kindly explained to me, they can't get a 2/3 majority in the Senate. There is a small chance they could manage it in the House. What impact (if any) would such an out come have?

Urbane Guerrilla 10-18-2006 03:30 AM

The worst outcome, and one more likely than I'd prefer if the national Democratic Party were given its head, would be that the war gets lost by the following May. This would require yet another war-fighting Administration to fight yet another and greater war some time down the line, to rectify what the Dems would screw the pooch on.

The second-worst outcome would be that the Democrats, now saddled with the responsibility of acting in the national interest for once, would continue with the "Republican" plan for prosecuting the war, as they have no plan of their own -- then doing it halfheartedly and incompetently. In the longer term, this means the Republicans back in the majority, charged with fixing the damn mess.

Could they manage it? I don't know, but I have no reason to confide in the foreign-policy competence of the Democrats.

Neither is the likeliest outcome: I pick "Politics as usual," loud and messy and grandstanding. Calls for a case of cream pies, it does -- I time it right, their mouths shall be filled with sweetness.

Griff 10-18-2006 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
The second-worst outcome would be that the Democrats, now saddled with the responsibility of acting in the national interest for once, would continue with the "Republican" plan for prosecuting the war, as they have no plan of their own -- then doing it halfheartedly and incompetently. In the longer term, this means the Republicans back in the majority, charged with fixing the damn mess.

You didn't just pass the blame for this war...

Shawnee123 10-18-2006 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff
You didn't just pass the blame for this war...

:)

Look closely, I have nothing up my sleeve...hocus pocus, boopity boo...presto CHANGO!

It's magic, it is.

Flint 10-18-2006 12:10 PM

Reminds me of a bumper sticker on my wife's car: the problems we face today will not be solved by the minds that created them (paraphrase)...

marichiko 10-19-2006 08:57 AM

Well, one thing that will happen is that John Mc Cain will commit suicide. Here's a snip I came across on another discussion board:

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McCain spoke at a mid-day news conference in Des Moines, where McCain was asked what his reaction would be to a Democratic take-over of the Senate.

"I think I'd just commit suicide," McCain said, as the Republicans standing beside him burst into laughter. "I don't want to face that eventuality because I don't think it's going to happen...I think it's going to be tough, but I think we'll do o.k."
http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go....ator=local.cfm

MaggieL 10-19-2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko
As HM so kindly explained to me, they can't get a 2/3 majority in the Senate. There is a small chance they could manage it in the House. What impact (if any) would such an out come have?

So...you're actually asking about a supermajority in the House, not a simple majority in Congress (which means nothing by itself), a simple majority in the House, or a simple majority in the Senate.

I bet you find the Electoral Collge confusing too. :-)

marichiko 10-19-2006 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL
I bet you find the Electoral Collge confusing too. :-)

I think lots of people find the EC confusing - self included. I do the best I can, Maggie, in my own little pathetic way. :p


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