Self Policing Militia Summons

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

That's not it at all, Clod. There was an insinuation that I couldn't know what was said in chat. I posted the last few lines of chat to show that anybody can see. The content was totally immaterial.

*blinks*

In what way does you dipping into chat for a second and cutting and pasting the last few lines in anyway let you know 'what was said in chat'?

What about the five hours prior to that?

FFs.

Spexx, even I am pissed off at you now.

You can't know what goes on in chat unless you spend time there. You don't spend time there, so you don't know. All you have is a snippet. That's like saying you understand a book because you read a random paragraph from the middle.


Oh and Why has this suddenly turned into a flame fest? We were doing so well!

And what the hell was sniping about Jinx's comment? She was just disagreeing.



You all suck. Yes you heard me. Each and every one of you sucks big fat donkey dick. Bleugh.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by DanaC

*blinks*

In what way does you dipping into chat for a second and cutting and pasting the last few lines in anyway let you know 'what was said in chat'?

What about the five hours prior to that?

FFs.

Spexx, even I am pissed off at you now.

You can't know what goes on in chat unless you spend time there. You don't spend time there, so you don't know. All you have is a snippet. That's like saying you understand a book because you read a random paragraph from the middle.

...

You're pissed off at me because of the backstabbing in chat, which Jim admitted to. Please explain.

[classicman]

Hi Dana! How are ya?

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

You're pissed off at me because of the backstabbing in chat, which Jim admitted to. Please explain.

Nope, I'm with Dani.

I like you Spex, but you've gone back to the old stand-by of claiming there is a Treehouse Club.

Your cut and paste from chat meant nothing - it baffled me.

All I understood from Jim's posts (in this thread) is that sometimes he slags and moans. You know what? If everyone I'd ever PM'd posted their PMs I'd look like a hypocrite.

Why? Because sometimes I'm mad and I slag and moan too. Not often. And it passes pretty quickly.

I was pretty rotten about LabRat once upon a time. I was very wrong - she was a lovely Dwellar and I really miss her. In my defense I never said anything positive about her on the board until I got to know her, and once I did know her I felt like a heel for my previous opinion.

Don't be a cunt Spex.
Don't take a thread trying to resolve issues and turn it into a spite-fest.
NO-ONE says you have to get on with LJ. There is more than one Dwellar that I have on mental ignore because I find them intolerable. They are not the whole Cellar. They cannot spoil my experience. I could respond snidely to everything they post but I would lose out if I did.

Back off.
I'm not part the Treehouse Club; I do not believe it exists. I'd just rather you let it go. This is only personal in that I'd rather you stuck around without imploding.

But the bottom line is if things here are that hateful and intolerable and biased, you may be better off leaving. I'll miss you, but I won't miss the vitriol - on both sides.

[Spexxvet]

I'm sorry you and Dana feel that way. Not surprised, though.

[Cicero]

This just brings up a very good point. People should just flat-out quit stalking chat. If you aren't there to participate, what are you there for? It's creepy.

I love how this subject conveniently diverges from the original point being made.

Besides- I think people here are pretty open about it when they don't like your company (something to like about this board?) . You being, anyone. Especially Jim. Are we saying Jim is two faced? I feel he is pretty straight-forward about his likes/dislikes when it comes to others, which is why we have this very thread to post this in in the first place.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I wish you'd refuted points. His post seemed completely reasonable to me, and yours just called him insane. Not so much an easy laugh as a WTF.
You don't read his posts, but you know he doesn't talk about his personal life enough, but you don't want to know anything about him. You don't like the lack of real discussion in the politics forum, but you won't argue politics or ideas with one of the frequent posters in that forum. You call BigV's worldview insane, but this seems a bit schizophrenic.And now BigV should "go back" somewhere. Like he isn't a real Dwellar.

I can't go back and do that now. BigV went through this thread and selected things to comment on. I saw it as exacerbating the already tense situation. (I was hesitant to reply to this post for that very reason....but I am only because it's you asking)I recognize that I'm the one that began this thread, but it is quite obvious that I'm not alone in my views.....no more alone than you and redux are.

I can see your side of this. To me, it seems that because you agree politically with redux, you are more apt to see him as a real being. Or maybe it's not because of politics at all. Maybe you honestly think that he contributes something worth while.

I said I don't read his posts.... i did say that. And I don't. I tried a few times... But now I get the impression that he just has his political point of view and offers the same counterpoint to the other political posters that I don't read. I never was much interested in politics. I have made my point about his and other people's domination of those forums. I'll let that stand.

as for telling BigV to go away? like he's not a real dwellar? Well, everyone has their own definition of a dwellar. My reaction there was to his saying that 'a little bird' told him to read this. (I wonder how spex feels about that) I imagine that he drops by occasionally at this point, but spends more time elsewhere. Maybe I'm way off there. In any event, I didn't like the arrogant way he posted his critique of how we were handling this when he is scarcely involved in the cellar. I won't say I'm subtle, but sometimes I make leaps and don't show my reasoning.

I hope we can let this issue settle down at some point and see if we've helped or hurt the atmosphere. Maybe.... If Merc, Classic, Redux and Spex can turn the spite knobs down from 11 to 7 or so..... we can all puull together as a team. I, for one will try not to bicker for more than 3 posts in a row! whaddaya say?! who's with me!?

From the perspective of one of the bad guys, I thought there were many valid and constructive criticisms, but also many questions conveniently ignored.

IMO, if one is assuming the role of facilitator, those questions should have been addressed.

I also got a good laugh out of the strongly urged suggestion to be more "real" and at the same time, the statement that it really wouldnt make a difference.

[lumberjim]

which questions in particular did you want answers for?

strongly urged suggestion to be more "real" and at the same time, the statement that it really wouldnt make a difference.

that's not what I was suggesting. i was saying that I don't demand to KNOW you. Just that if you want to be seen as a human, you should appear as one. It is apparently a difficult concept for some to grasp.

Look around the board for examples. People that share their flaws and strengths, fears and pride.....stories and boasts and jokes..... you make allowances for that stuff.... That's how people interact.

Those that argue in ideals and logic and facts..... they can only stand on those legs....and if your basic underlying premise is contrary to someone else, you'll never find any common ground with them.

Redux, DO YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY OR NOT?

Originally Posted by lumberjim

which questions in particular did you want answers for?



that's not what I was suggesting. i was saying that I don't demand to KNOW you. Just that if you want to be seen as a human, you should appear as one. It is apparently a difficult concept for some to grasp.

Look around the board for examples. People that share their flaws and strengths, fears and pride.....stories and boasts and jokes..... you make allowances for that stuff.... That's how people interact.

Those that argue in ideals and logic and facts..... they can only stand on those legs....and if your basic underlying premise is contrary to someone else, you'll never find any common ground with them.

Redux, DO YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY OR NOT?

Jim....my point that I, or anyone, should be able to be a part of the community in the manner in which we chose....not by some standard that you or anyone else imposes....(and, for example, points not be awarded or deducted based on your personal feelings for someone).

IMO, your biases came through in the end.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

.... My reaction there was to his saying that 'a little bird' told him to read this. (I wonder how spex feels about that)

If you're insinuating that I told BigV to read this, you are absolutely incorrect and more than a little obsessed with me.

[lumberjim]

Well, yes, of course you define the manner of your involvement. but you're fooling yourself if you think that people will be fair minded and treat you like everyone else if you won't even divulge your gender.

Life is a popularity contest at times. that's just a hard goddamn fact of life. People's perceptions are colored by their opinion of the presenter of information.

You are a member of this community. you don't need me to tell you that. but you do get my point, right?

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

If you're insinuating that I told BigV to read this, you are absolutely incorrect and more than a little obsessed with me.

no, i was just wondering how you felt about he and this undisclosed 'little bird' speaking privately. Wondering if that qualified as backstabbing in your rule book.


Why don't you and I try to be nice to each other from now on?

I'll go first.

I though you posted something funny the other day. I can't remember what, but I lolled.

Originally Posted by lumberjim

Well, yes, of course you define the manner of your involvement. but you're fooling yourself if you think that people will be fair minded and treat you like everyone else if you won't even divulge your gender.

Life is a popularity contest at times. that's just a hard goddamn fact of life. People's perceptions are colored by their opinion of the presenter of information.

You are a member of this community. you don't need me to tell you that. but you do get my point, right?

Actually, I divulged my gender a long time ago....there is a pic here somewhere.

Hey, I think you were (are) well-intentioned, but as I said, IMO, unfortunately, your biases came through in the end, particularly with Big V (again, using your own standards of "active" contributor) and accusations of his being "pushed here by Spexx.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

no, i was just wondering how you felt about he and this undisclosed 'little bird' speaking privately. Wondering if that qualified as backstabbing in your rule book.


Why don't you and I try to be nice to each other from now on?

I'll go first.

I though you posted something funny the other day. I can't remember what, but I lolled.

Your eyes are a lovely shade of blue.