Earthquake

[classicman]

He's a basketball player, or was. Smart ones are few and far between.

[tw]

However, it is not outside the realm of imagination to think that the citizens of a country might be able to: A) avoid putting themselves into a situation that might result in such catastrophic loss of life. And B) provide for their own aid, in the event of such a catastrophe.

His assumption would be valid IF we do the same to New Orleans and NYC (disasters due to hurricanes) and to the Memphis area (prone to devastation of equivalent proportions also due to little planning for earthquakes.

In the case of mistakes and warnings as applied to Haiti, I don’t mean to indict those who ignored actual warnings against earthquakes, of which there were many before the recent one.

What warnings? No serious earthquake for 200 years. The only warnings were years previous and too late to do anything. Reality: most warnings were more about an earthquake on the Dominican Republic north shore - not in Haiti.

Meanwhile Haiti was busy still recovering from multiple devastating hurricanes. How were Haitians to be planning for an earthquake that few even suspected?

NYC had an earthquake five on the Richter scale in the 1700s. Is NYC today constructed to withstand a 5+ quake? Since he knows what Haiti should have prepared for, then does he know what NYC should be prepared for?

The problem with his conclusions: facts and assumptions on which it is based are flawed. One is expected to learn facts before throwing stones.

Since New Orleans was built in the wrong location, America should have done nothing to help its citizens? That is his reasoning.

It is the logic - not the morality - of his conclusions that are wrong. They deserve no help because they should have known this was coming? Who knew it? Martians? Certainly not Americans, Europeans, or Haitians.

[classicman]

Well tw, lets take your logic a step further - now that we "know" should we rebuild New Orleans or relocate?

[SamIam]

Well, with global warming and rising oceans and more extreme weather to come, I think the entire Gulf Coast should be relocated to Kentucky.

[tw]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Well, with global warming and rising oceans and more extreme weather to come, I think the entire Gulf Coast should be relocated to Kentucky.

Imagine that daily walk to the beach.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Well tw, lets take your logic a step further - now that we "know" should we rebuild New Orleans or relocate?

It makes no sense to rebuild a Ninth ward ten feet below sea level. Many parts of New Orleans were dry because not located below sea level.

Clinton solved many problems by addressing the problem rather then playing political games. For example, Clinton rebuilt cities such as Grafton IL where floods no longer cause damage. Spring 2002 floods no longer caused destructive flooding. FEMA did not build bigger levees. It addressed the problem using product oriented thinking because top management was a good and responsible.

So George Jr goes to Sen Trent Lott's oceanside home (where it once stood) and declares government will rebuild his home in the worst spot possible. Because a rich Senator needs his home rebuilt where it should not be.

Paul Shirley's mistake is to conveniently forget and modify facts to promote his conclusions. At least Memphis knows they have a pending disaster. And have plenty of time to start averting it. According to Paul Shirley's reasoning, when the big one happens, the rest of America should do nothing to save Memphis.

Meanwhile, an intelligent president would not have government rebuild Trent Lott's home. Unlike Haitians, Lott can afford to do it himself. Lott even knew the inevitable was coming. Haitians did not. Therefore Haitians should have no help - according to Paul Shirley. But extremists would rebuild Lott's luxery shore home.

[ZenGum]

Every city on the west coast of the US is at risk from the San Andreas Fault. Every city on the East coast is a risk from a tsunami from the collapse of a known undersea cliff formation near the Canary Islands. New Orleans is ... well ...

Sorry, guys, but the only safe place is in fact Ohio.

[tw]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Sorry, guys, but the only safe place is in fact Ohio.

Which is the home of the Davis-Besse nuclear power plant with both a hole in its containment dome AND a known Three Mile Island problem. But it continued operating anyway because mistakes in OH are acceptable.

Or First Energy whose operations were so hazardous as to creat the entire NE blackout from Michigan and Indiana, through Ontario, and all of New York. First Energy happened when bean counters bought Dayton Electric, Todelo Edison, Penn Electric, and soon Allegheny Energy. First Energy also owns Three Mile Island.

Otherwise OH is a safer place.

[classicman]

ROAD TRIP!!! Everyone head to Shaw's house immediately!
There is no other safe place and she's probably at work so we could drink her beer and eat her chips before she even knows we are there.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by classicman

ROAD TRIP!!! Everyone head to Shaw's house immediately!
There is no other safe place and she's probably at work so we could drink her beer and eat her chips before she even knows we are there.

I think this is a great idea.

She'll be so overcome with joy she probably won't even notice the potato chip crumbs all over the carpet or mind cellar people fighting over her last beer.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

I think this is a great idea.

She'll be so overcome with joy she probably won't even notice the potato chip crumbs all over the carpet or mind cellar people fighting over her last beer.

First rule: there is always more beer. I'll buy, you fly.

Second rule: any food you find on the floor is all yours. I take no responsibility for any food-borne illness, however.

Third rule: you must shovel snow.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

First rule: there is always more beer. I'll buy, you fly.

get a man

I don't fly on orders.

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Second rule: any food you find on the floor is all yours. I take no responsibility for any food-borne illness, however.

get a dog. I don't fucking eat shit off the floor even if you think yours is golden

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Third rule: you must shovel snow.

get a man.

or someone who is good at shoveling shit.. like ..ah you


Three strikes and I'm out.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

get a man

I don't fly on orders.



get a dog. I don't fucking eat shit off the floor even if you think yours is golden



get a man.

or someone who is good at shoveling shit.. like ..ah you


Three strikes and I'm out.

That's a bit harsh.

[Clodfobble]

Texas is pretty safe as long as we're a couple hundred miles inland from the Gulf, right tw? I'm just trying to keep my emergency disaster plan up-to-date.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No place is safe from Mother Nature, you puny humans. Muhahahahahahahaha.