Wild West Politics?

[sexobon]

... Arrrghhh, you got me Lamp. Give my boots to glatt and bury me in Nothingland. It'd be nice if ME would shed a tear and Pico didn't piss on my grave (and vice versa).

[xoxoxoBruce]

I see the problem with guns, is the same as with cars, most of the people that have them don't know how to handle them properly. Lack of knowledge, training and practice, under the assumption they are competent until they prove otherwise.

[Griff]

Could you explain it to me using a metaphor involving a four wheel drive being driven by tw?

[monster]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I see the problem with guns, is the same as with cars, most of the people that have them don't know how to handle them properly. Lack of knowledge, training and practice, under the assumption they are competent until they prove otherwise.

So, given that guns are here to stay, perhaps we should have gun-ed in school? And no, I'm not being facetious. Maybe then the non-gun-people would be less scared, the pro-gun-people would be less gung-ho and everyone would have a chance of handling weapons better in a crisis. just like driver's ed.

Driver's Ed is not a part of the curriculum in the UK, but cars are not such a big part of life. Having lived here a while, shocked as i still am about how young they can drive, I appreciate that it's considered a universal skill that should be part of schooling in many places. Maybe we should afford guns the same treatment.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by monster

So, given that guns are here to stay, perhaps we should have gun-ed in school? And no, I'm not being facetious. Maybe then the non-gun-people would be less scared, the pro-gun-people would be less gung-ho and everyone would have a chance of handling weapons better in a crisis. just like driver's ed.

Driver's Ed is not a part of the curriculum in the UK, but cars are not such a big part of life. Having lived here a while, shocked as i still am about how young they can drive, I appreciate that it's considered a universal skill that should be part of schooling in many places. Maybe we should afford guns the same treatment.

If they tried to include teaching about guns, even in say a science class, half the parents would have a shitfit.
I'd like to see more rigorous qualifications for carry permits. Locally, they have started to require a sign off by a certified range instructor, but that varies by jurisdiction.

As for driver's ed in school, when I took it, it was a joke, mostly memorizing the answers for the exam. I doubt it's gotten any better, and many schools have dropped it because of budgets.

[DanaC]

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is repeating anything someone else has said:

What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

[tw]

Originally Posted by DanaC

What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

Are the Imams preaching hate and violence in the mosques? You may not see it. But that is what Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, et al are preaching. Limbaugh's routine attacks on Hillary in the 1990s left me surprised that gunmen were not waiting for her in many states. The hate promoted by Fox News easily matches and probably exceeds that broadcast by early 1960s Radio Moscow. Hate is also why Colin Powell’s wife terminated his presidential ambitions.

That AZ Sherriff was right on the money. He was talking about the same hate routinely preached by Likud to get Rabin assassinated. They got what they wanted. Same attitude is preached by our wackos.

Classicman intentionally tried to post my personal information in order to encourage harm to me. If you did not know it, he was stopped by (I believe) UT. Why? I repeatedly accuse him of promoting hate and extremism. So emotions replaced logic. Same has become so common in the last 15 years that, well, that attitude even inspired Timothy McVeigh. They did not tell him what to do. Just encouraged the attitude. Promoting hate is how extremists get empowered. Why Christine O’Donnell set records for campaign contributions.

So, you tell me. Are the Imams promoting hate in mosques? That is where a problem most likely lies if it exists. Is what you see on the street a symptom of a dangerous source? Or just isolated venting overplayed by the local gossip?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Classicman intentionally tried to post my personal information in order to encourage harm to me. If you did not know it, he was stopped by (I believe) UT. Why?

Total Lie - I spoke up because you made uncalled for, unfounded accusations of another posters wife being a "gonorrhea dripping whore." No one else was going to call you out for your bullshit, so I did.

And for your information, after you were banned for your emotional metdown, I contacted a mod and asked them to reconsider out of pity for your sorry existence of a life. Stick that in your Honda and drive it straight up your fat ass. (Too bad it isn't a 4WD)

FWIW - I didn't need to be stopped because I don't know who you are, nor do I want to.
Just so we are all clear on the facts, not simply your emotional delusions of reality.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is repeating anything someone else has said:

What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and
the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

To my mind there are major conceptual differences.
The US demonstrators are protesting their government,
while the Muslims are defending their religious faith.

They both invoke images of blood and violence because, for each,
their beliefs are absolute... and not to be compromised.

It seems in politics that we in the US tend to impose a technical and political view
on to others when theirs is first a religion and then a way of governing.

So between Shite and Sunni, their first differences are religious,
but the former superimpose religion on government,
while the latter tend to more independent government.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by DanaC

What is the difference between the revolutionary violent rhetoric in those banners and the banners being waved in London by muslims protesting against the Dutch cartoons?

The banners are selected from all the protests everywhere over time. The people holding them are on the fringe of their groups rather than the mainstream.

[DanaC]

Shit got real

[skysidhe]

you got it about right , seems so anyway

[Nirvana]

See I said this thread belonged in Politics

[monster]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

See I said this thread belonged in Politics

Not worthy of politics.

Where's the bitching/sniping forum when you need it?

[Nirvana]

BTW what a mug shot this guy has! YIKES!