The reformation is at hand

[Clodfobble]

I'm not saying identity politics is the right way out of anything. But there's only so long you can tell people, "work within this system," when the system repeatedly and brutally fucks them over. As far as they're concerned, the table falling over wouldn't be any worse for them than it already is now. If people really wanted to take the wind out of the sails of BLM, all they'd have to do is convict the next three cops. But that won't happen without, as you say, a major reformation. Identity politics is a gross, ugly way of getting somewhere when all the other methods have been proven meaningless.

[Flint]

This.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

But there's only so long you can tell people, "work within this system," when the system repeatedly and brutally fucks them over.
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Identity politics is a gross, ugly way of getting somewhere when all the other methods have been proven meaningless.

America: It's never the right time, or the right way to deal with the problem. The preferred plan is: we're never going to deal with the problem. Or talk about it. Ever. Because the status quo is working well enough for enough people. That's why it's really important for the people who are not being served well by the system to keep quiet. This is priority number one.

Protests are designed to RAISE A RUCKUS until people acknowledge that the problem exists. They're not designed as a solution. They're not a peaceful summit of equally-powered groups.



Example: when your cat is hungry he tries to trip you, because that's all he can do. Maybe he shits on your pillow. Eventually you ask what his problem is, enough times until you figure it out. Then you feed the cat, and golly gee he acts normal again. It takes a minimal effort to work through this process.



Does everyone know why BLM exists, or are some of us pretending it's a huge mystery?

[glatt]

But the ACLU is fighting for civil liberties and BLM is fighting for civil liberties, so attacking one another when they should be attacking the actual oppressors is foolish.

[glatt]

It's like one cat fighting another cat in your hungry cat example.

[Flint]

Yet if we just fixed the problem, there wouldn't be a reason for either one of them to be doing anything.

Everything that everybody is doing is caused by the fact that the problem exists. If they're doing effective things, or counter-productive things, or whatever, I guarantee you they're doing whatever they think is the best option for them, give a situation where they are powerless to effect actual change to the underlying problem.

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

... so attacking one another when they should be attacking the actual oppressors is foolish.

Sounds likes Syria.