Manchester blast

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

From the Mirror


I'm glad to hear some mosques are trying to discredit isis.

I think most probably do try to discredit IS and speak against extremism. I think there are a few hotbeds of activity - Finsbury Park mosque was one the most infamous for a while, but they seem to have gone to a lot of effort to reform since Abu Hamza went.

I daresay a majority of imams would really like these fuckers to stop polluting their faith with their dangerous notions.


It doesn't take a huge number of extremists, and it doesn't take a huge number of sympathetic mosques or community leaders to cause a lot of problems, about which the peaceful majority are unable to do very much.

Back when I was a councillor, I had to engage with various community leaders,and there didn't seem to me to be a massive difference between the attitudes and concerns of local imams and the attitudes and concerns of local vicars. The guys who ran the muslim community centre youth group were just as determined as the Church of England youth club organiser was to get young lads off the street and onto the five-a-side football pitch.

There were some cultural differences, no doubt, particularly in some parts of the muslim community, where the percentage of people who were born and raised in Pakistan or Kashmir was much higher than in other parts of the community, but in general they just seemed to want the same basic shit everyone else wanted.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by DanaC

... It doesn't take a huge number of extremists, and it doesn't take a huge number of sympathetic mosques or community leaders to cause a lot of problems, about which the peaceful majority are unable to do very much.

[Bold mine]

My impression is that it's only because the English won't let them.

A grassroots unarmed anti-terrorism movement modeled on similar anti-crime movements could significantly reduce the impact of terrorist attacks.

Unfortunately, the English mentality of a passive citizenry that leaves their personal safety to the government, in the hands of professionals, has undermined such grassroots organization; so, there's nothing left to be adapted from anti-crime to anti-terrorism let alone incentive to start from scratch. This also applies to Manchester which while it didn't deserve what happened and didn't want it to happen; nonetheless, was an enabler by just being English.

Now you know and knowing is half the battle. MI6 probably just shakes its head at MI5 and a docile citizenry that doesn't care to change it.

[Pi]

Originally Posted by sexobon

A grassroots unarmed anti-terrorism movement modeled on similar anti-crime movements could significantly reduce the impact of terrorist attacks.

That link got blocked at work for the following reasons : " Access to the requested website has been blocked because it is currently categorized as: Political/Social Advocacy;Suspicious"

And you shouldn't forget that it is also a money problem. I guess the costs of super surveillance is far too high considering the effect...
I'm always reminded about the first meeting btw Taylor Durden and the Narrator.
And then again : 22 deaths and 64 seriously injured... How many people die in the UK every year because they are neglected or forgotten, because they can't afford the medical care they need, of hunger, of drugs, because due to pressure and greed they can't respect basic security and safety instructions, or just by Murphy's Law, by drunken drivers or crime??? Guess how many children are born everyday already drug addicted because their mother was, how many children are chronically sick because their parents are smoking in their presence, how many children are indoctrinated by conspiracy theorists and bad cartoons, how many children are molested and bullied everyday and turn into monsters later on...
So terrorism was always present and if not then we were fighting wars. I think we are overrating terrorist attacks and should concentrate more on other problems...

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Pi

That link got blocked at work for the following reasons : " Access to the requested website has been blocked because it is currently categorized as: Political/Social Advocacy;Suspicious"

And you shouldn't forget that it is also a money problem. I guess the costs of super surveillance is far too high considering the effect...
I'm always reminded about the first meeting btw Taylor Durden and the Narrator.
And then again : 22 deaths and 64 seriously injured... How many people die in the UK every year because they are neglected or forgotten, because they can't afford the medical care they need, of hunger, of drugs, because due to pressure and greed they can't respect basic security and safety instructions, or just by Murphy's Law, by drunken drivers or crime??? Guess how many children are born everyday already drug addicted because their mother was, how many children are chronically sick because their parents are smoking in their presence, how many children are indoctrinated by conspiracy theorists and bad cartoons, how many children are molested and bullied everyday and turn into monsters later on...
So terrorism was always present and if not then we were fighting wars. I think we are overrating terrorist attacks and should concentrate more on other problems...

You're correct.

I agree with you.

Relative to many other risks, risks I blithely undertake every day, harm or death from terrorism is almost impossibly unlikely.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The US had warned the Brits about this guy in January, not just as another suspect but a bad guy with a mission in the works.