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Old 01-28-2017, 03:19 PM   #1
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I am not a "disgrace to women" because I don't support the women's march. I do not feel I am a "second class citizen" because I am a woman. I do not feel my voice is "not heard" because I am a woman. I do not feel I am not provided opportunities in this life or in America because I am a woman. I do not feel that I "don't have control of my body or choices" because I am a woman. I do not feel like I am " not respected or undermined" because I am a woman.
I AM a woman.
I can make my own choices.
I can speak and be heard.
I can VOTE.
I can work if I want.
I control my body.
I can defend myself.
I can defend my family.
There is nothing stopping me to do anything in this world but MYSELF.
I do not blame my circumstances or problems on anything other than my own choices or even that sometimes in life, we don't always get what we want. I take responsibility for myself.
I am a mother, a daughter, a wife, a sister, a friend. I am not held back in life but only by the walls I choose to not go over which is a personal choice.
Quit blaming.
Take responsibility.
If you want to speak, do so. But do not expect for me, a woman, to take you seriously wearing a pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men.
If you have beliefs, and speak to me in a kind matter, I will listen. But do not expect for me to change my beliefs to suit yours. Respect goes both ways.
If you want to impress me, especially in regards to women, then speak on the real injustices and tragedies that affect women in foreign countries that do not that the opportunity or means to have their voices heard.
Saudi Arabia, women can't drive, no rights and must always be covered.
China and India, infantcide of baby girls.
Afghanistan, unequal education rights.
Democratic Republic of Congo, where rapes are brutal and women are left to die, or HIV infected and left to care for children alone.
Mali, where women can not escape the torture of genital mutilation.
Pakistan, in tribal areas where women are gang raped to pay for men's crime.
Guatemala, the impoverished female underclass of Guatemala faces domestic violence, rape and the second-highest rate of HIV/AIDS after sub-Saharan Africa. An epidemic of gruesome unsolved murders has left hundreds of women dead, some of their bodies left with hate messages.
And that's just a few examples.
So when women get together in AMERICA and whine they don't have equal rights and march in their clean clothes, after eating a hearty breakfast, and it's like a vacation away that they have paid for to get there...
This WOMAN does not support it. ~ Brandi Atkinson
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Old 01-28-2017, 05:40 PM   #2
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As with any serious protest, in this case the women's march, there will be the very small minority with "pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men." I'd guess less than 5% out of multi-millions, but they will get the attention of the media. That doesn't make the cause any less just.

The same with any protest marches, there will always be a tiny minority damaging property and getting all the attention.

So she doesn't think American women should progress until the rest of the word catches up? American women shouldn't lead by example?
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:59 PM   #3
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Newbie here, but good grief what a polemic! You guys seem interesting at least. I've been checking out the Image of the Day for a while now and finally decided to officially sign up. Never been much good at lurking anyhow.
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:44 PM   #4
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Newbie here, but good grief what a polemic!
Polemic, a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.
I'm confused by your statement... which ain't hard
Are you referring to one of the quoted articles or one of the posts, all, none of the above?

We're an opinionate bunch, and willing to "share" our opinions. But it's not personal, "attacks" aren't directed at the person (except in a few cases cough tw cough), but to make my point, and shout down the dumb bastard who doesn't agree with me.

Seriously though, stick around and jump it anytime you like, I'm sure you have things to contribute.
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Old 01-29-2017, 10:56 PM   #5
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Polemic, a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.
I'm confused by your statement... which ain't hard
Are you referring to one of the quoted articles or one of the posts, all, none of the above?

We're an opinionate bunch, and willing to "share" our opinions. But it's not personal, "attacks" aren't directed at the person (except in a few cases cough tw cough), but to make my point, and shout down the dumb bastard who doesn't agree with me.

Seriously though, stick around and jump it anytime you like, I'm sure you have things to contribute.
Oh my goodness! No, no - my reply was certainly not intended as some sort of personal attack. The word just came to mind when I read Brandi Atkinson's post that Classicman quoted.

I feel that Brandi Atkinson's words were rather over the top, and as a woman, I disagree with a number of the statements she made. I also found it interesting that she would be quoted by a man. I couldn't help but wonder if Classicman was using Atkinson to disagree with your thesis that "Women Are Not Equal."

Women are NOT equal. For example, Atkinson states that she has control over her own body. This may be true for her, but many women all over the world do NOT have control over their own bodies. Certain tribes in Africa still practice female circumcision, a horribly painful and degrading mutilation of a women's body done to young girls who have no say in the matter. Many low income women in a growing number of states in the US are being denied access to Planned Parenthood and other medical facilities where they could obtain information and be provided with appropriate birth control methods. The same is true of access to safe abortions - even early term ones - in the case of unwanted pregnancies. I believe it is the state of Texas that has come up with a rule that fetal matter from miscarriages and abortions should be buried as if they were babies who had died soon after a normal 9 month pregnancy. Good grief! What's next? Will women be required to bury tampons in a series of separate little graves each month? The state of Indiana has also mandated the burial or cremation of embryonic cells from early abortions and miscarriages.

I majored in biology in college and one of my required classes was Embryology. We were all required to chloroform live mice in various stages of pregnancy in a bell jar and make microscopic slides of the fetal matter once we had dissected mama mouse. I saw with my own eyes that a mouse zygote is NOT a complete replica of a cute tiny mouse, but rather an interesting assortment of cells with a shape peculiar to the early stages of embryonic development. A human zygote or embryo at 8 weeks or so is not much different. So, not only do women not have complete control over their own bodies, a woman in Texas or Indiana doesn't even have a say over a few hundred cells her body may happen to produce. Craziness!

Thus, my use of the word "polemic" the definition of which is explained in some detail by Wikipedia:


~snip~ A polemic (/pəˈlɛmɪk/) is contentious rhetoric that is intended to support a specific position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about controversial topics. The practice of such argumentation is called polemics.

Polemics often concern issues in religion or politics. A polemic style of writing was common in Ancient Greece, as in the writings of the historian Polybius. Polemic again became common in medieval and early modern times. Since then, famous polemicists have included the satirist Jonathan Swift, the socialist philosopher Karl Marx, the novelist George Orwell and the linguist Noam Chomsky. ~snip~


If I inadvertently attacked Classicman with a Marxist writing style, I most humbly apologize.

Did I pass the quiz?
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:30 PM   #6
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No no, I didn't think you were attacking anyone, by using polemic I thought you deduced we were attacking each other. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think the rest of my post is safe.

That wasn't the quiz, as sexobon pointed out in the post before yours.
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