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Old 03-10-2016, 01:23 PM   #1
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Same here, in that you own the property and buildings on it, but there are utility right of ways on the deed which entitle them to use the land (usually over or under) for their systems. My deed even has a gas pipeline like this one, a half mile away because when it was laid one guy owned the whole road. When the properties were broken off, everything on the original deed is copied onto each deed although it doesn't pertain to that property.
This past summer the township sewer authority* took a 50 foot swath by eminent domain, the whole length of my property to cut all the trees and bury a 3 ft diameter sewer line through my backyard.

* We have the authority to do anything we want, and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.
If you doubt it see SCOTUS ruling Kelo v. the city of New London.
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Old 03-10-2016, 03:41 PM   #2
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* We have the authority to do anything we want, and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it.
If you doubt it see SCOTUS ruling Kelo v. the city of New London.
I knew some of the people involved in the development plans, it was all to make the place pretty and nice for pfizer because with the anticipated influx of well payed employees and no place to live nearby that was suitable to them, knockng down the shitty ghetto and building an upscale yuppie ghetto seemed like a good plan. It was semi-successful in that New London was elevated a bit and got some more culture, and the town was in a downward spiral before so the improvements ended up 'revitalizing' the town.

The other aspect about the case before it went to trial was that the guy who was holding out refused their initial offer of far more than the property was worth because he was the last hold out and he thought he could squeeze even more out of the development corp. His motives were greed, OK, but he made a gamble and then lost. He went on to fight it and played the "My poor old home means so much to me..." card to gain sympathy for his cause.

In a real way, if you want to lay the blame for the effects of the SCOTUS ruling on eminent domain, it could go directly on the shoulders of the guy who was a holdout. Had he not made such a fuss it wouldn't have gone to the supreme court and perhaps (for better or worse) pfizer may not have chosen to leave. I'd be willing to bet the bad press, bad blood, and general hassle contributed to their decision to "fuck this place, they are pains in the ass." Had pfizer stayed in the town its residents undoubtedly would have savored the crumbs that fell from the mouth of the company's $48 billion annual revenue (at the time)

Frankkly the guy was being a greedy douche ad only thinking of himself. The development corporation actually did have the improvement of the town in mind. As I said, I know people involved and neighborhood and town rejuvenation is a consistent theme.

I think it is possible to be a good business person and have consideration for other people. Unless you have an MBA.
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:26 PM   #3
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The other aspect about the case before it went to trial was that the guy who was holding out refused their initial offer of far more than the property was worth...
To whom? Who the fuck are they to tell him what anything is worth to him. Does every fucking thing is the world come down to dollars and cents? Then if I run over your kids we just get an appraisal from an actuary, and I pay you?
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... because he was the last hold out and he thought he could squeeze even more out of the development corp. His motives were greed,
Oh, is that what he said? I didn't read that quote.
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OK, but he made a gamble and then lost. He went on to fight it and played the "My poor old home means so much to me..." card to gain sympathy for his cause.
Objection, your honor, conjecture.
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In a real way, if you want to lay the blame for the effects of the SCOTUS ruling on eminent domain, it could go directly on the shoulders of the guy who was a holdout.
Here we go, blame the victim. Did he dress slutty in court?
SCOTUS of all people should be able to see the long range effect of this ruling. They had to know full well they were killing the sanctity of private property. So if some deep pockets comes along, the powers can take your property, pay you what they decide it's worth, and give it to deep pockets on the promise it will return to them more tax revenue than you would. That ain't right!
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:16 AM   #4
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To whom? Who the fuck are they to tell him what anything is worth to him.
If I remember correctly the offer was based on something like 300% of the assessed value of the property in the current market. In other words a lot more than it was worth.

Does every fucking thing is the world come down to dollars and cents?

[b]Apparently to him it did. That was his reason for not wanting to sell, it wasn't for sentimental reasons. [/B ]

Then if I run over your kids we just get an appraisal from an actuary, and I pay you?

Pretty much that's what insurance companies do. They have charts with projected life expectancy and then potential earnings, etc. They probably even have one for how much you get paid for losing a son vs a daughter, vs a dog, vs a cat.

Oh, is that what he said? I didn't read that quote.

That is strictly insider info...

Objection, your honor, conjecture.

Objection overruled; it is hearsay.

Here we go, blame the victim. Did he dress slutty in court? We're the victims; he's not a victim, he paid his money and he took his chances and lost and in the process, managed to fuck everything up for everyone else.

SCOTUS of all people should be able to see the long range effect of this ruling. They had to know full well they were killing the sanctity of private property. So if some deep pockets comes along, the powers can take your property, pay you what they decide it's worth, and give it to deep pockets on the promise it will return to them more tax revenue than you would. That ain't right!
SCOTUS are full of shit and they ruled incorrectly in my opinion. Just like politicians (from which they are descended) they are full of shit. The legal system from the top to the bottom is based on people doing the wrong things in the name of the letter of the law and interpreting the law to suit someone's agenda, not to mete out justice. Anyone who labors under the fantasy that petitioning the court with their problem is likely to result in a positive outcome for them, deserves what they get. Especially if they don't have the $ to pay off the people in charge. (conjecture)

I disagree with the court's ruling in every way AND I think the guy was a fuckstick. Even if he did manage to keep his property who is to say anyone would buy it? And if the development went on all around him and taxes were raised, he'd be forced out by not being able to pay his taxes.

But he can go down in history as being the guy who went to court not over the principle of the matter but because he wanted more money than he was offered. And now we have that totally fucked up ruling.
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:31 AM   #5
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Even if he did manage to keep his property who is to say anyone would buy it?
HE DIDN"T WANT TO SELL IT. That was the whole cause of this fiasco. He didn't want to sell, and he doesn't have to give, or even have, a reason. So after the fucked him and took his home, what did they do with it? Did they reap tons of tax money? No.
A whole bunch of people were driven out of their homes for nothing, but fuck them they're only little people. This is how it works.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:01 AM   #6
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The(w)hole mystery is solved.

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We now know what the big hole that appeared in a Stoke Mandeville garden is...

AVDC have checked the plans and have confirmed it's a sewer.

In a report from Adam Heeley, Building Control and Access Manager at AVDC it was stated.

I have looked at the original records of when the properties were built and can see that Crest Homes proposed to run a shared surface water sewer across the front of these properties before running a lateral to connect into the main surface water sewer in the road.

At the time these properties were built this drainage in the front gardens would have been a private surface water sewer but as from 1st October 2011 all shared drainage which ultimately connects to a public sewer including surface water sewers became a public sewer and the responsibility of the water authority for that area, in this case Thames Water.

Thames Water have no record of these sewers on their mapping system as they were never mapped by them but this does not stop them being their responsibility.

The fact that water is rising in the chamber suggests that the surface water from the houses is having difficulty percolating through the soil and debris that has fallen into the chamber and is not running smoothly into the main sewer.

Kevin James who owns the house has spoken to Thames Water, who are sending out an engineer next Wednesday to investigate further.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:42 AM   #7
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HE DIDN"T WANT TO SELL IT. That was the whole cause of this fiasco. He didn't want to sell, and he doesn't have to give, or even have, a reason. So after the fucked him and took his home, what did they do with it? Did they reap tons of tax money? No.
A whole bunch of people were driven out of their homes for nothing, but fuck them they're only little people. This is how it works.
He did want to sell it, he just wanted more money than they were offering. He didn't want to sell it at that price, he was holding out for more.

And yes, that is how it works.

Just so you know, I think the whole thing was a colossal abortion and ended badly.
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:28 PM   #8
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He did want to sell it, he just wanted more money than they were offering.
Oh, I didn't realize he had it up for sale before they came along and lowballed him. [/quote]
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