baltimore

[Gravdigr]

When is the last time white people rioted in America?

Srs question.

Upon a second's worth of thought, prolly after Kentucky got beat in the NCAA playoffs.

[henry quirk]

"mocking"

Who's mocking?

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"raw outpourings of emotion"

I understand passion and violence extending out from passion. I don't understand visiting it on yourself.

Borrowing from my anecdote above: George does sumthin' that truly, righteously, pisses me off.

I can...

...be a pussy and keep my mouth shut, do nuthin', let my grievance fester.

...march myself over to George's and seek redress (perhaps burning his house down).

What I will not do is burn my own house down because George pissed me off.

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"Your son calls you "Uncle"?"

My nephew lives with me...I could not love him more if he were my son...he's not the fruit of my loins but he's mine.

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

My nephew lives with me...I could not love him more if he were my son...he's not the fruit of my loins but he's mine.

That's cool. Very cool, in fact. I have a fair amount of respect for people who raise children that aren't "their's". Not too long back I saw a 50-ish year old man moved to tears when the 20 year old beside him referred to him as "my dad for all intents and purposes. He's been more of a father to me than my dad ever was."

Good on ya, Mr. Quirk.

As you were, people.

[gvidas]

Jesse Williams on the baltimore riots, quoted in full b.c. twitter is a rough medium for complex thoughts:

If you don't actually care about Black people having equal protection under the law, why are you making suggestions to those who do?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

What are the critical elements that constitute a "riot" and when do riots offend you?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

If we view rioting as a mass temper tantrum expressed through violence & property damage, white sports fans do that monthly. #Tradition
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

1 group can burn & loot when a team scores less points than another but when paid public servants kill citizens, we gotta be BaggerVance?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

Where are all the think pieces & coverage of the pathology of white culture every time white frustration vents violence & destruction?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

There is nothing "black" about rioting. How do you think we got all this land?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

Historically riots have been tools for intimidation; destroying populations, taking land & valuables. #BlowingOffSteam #BoysWillBeBoys
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

Whites rioted throughout the early 1900s, slaughtering, burning & looting entire thriving black townships, just because of the adjective.
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

You've watched hulking bullies w/ badges, robes & money brutalize, kill & cage human beings every yr of your entire lives & said nothing.
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

So Exactly What Kind Of Violence Don't You Like?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

Police & policies have been rioting on our bodies; destroying people & property every single day of your lives. But here you come...
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

...When the beaten, marinated in centuries of trauma, pain & distress, manage to muster a response, here you come, squealing; revealing.
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

You seem to really hate when people do "things that aren't helping" like contextualizing issues based on empirical evidence. #UghTheWorst!
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

Things that "aren't helping" happen every single day though, which means you've had a million opportunities to research & contribute. #But
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

You have so much to say, yet we've never seen you out here you before. Who shows up after the event & criticizes the audience's reaction?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

So tell me again, what kind of violence it is that you detest? I keep forgetting. ToWhom? FromWhom? HowOften? For how long? InOrderToWhat?
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

The reaction to oppression has always been spun & marketed as validation for the status quo.
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

Notice how the party slogan, no matter the font or cleche, always boils down to #NeverChange.
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

You want us to condemn black folks being violent against PROPERTY but you NEVER condemn police killing actual PEOPLE. #Explain #JustTry
— jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) April 28, 2015

@henry, w.r.t. to burning ones own home down, the vast majority of businesses in black neighborhoods in America are not black owned.

[henry quirk]

Sumthin' else: (again, borrowing from my anecdote) George has pissed me off and naturally (for me) I want redress. I would, however, view with great suspicion the interest of strangers in my circumstance.

That is: I got cause to be pissed (just as the family and friends of F. Gray got cause to be pissed) but strangers have no cause to muck about in my affairs. All these folks out and about in Baltimore can't possibly be Gray's family and friends...no, they're strangers using a circumstance to further their own agendas and grind their own axes (axes having nuthin' to do with Gray's death).

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"the vast majority of businesses in black neighborhoods in America are not black owned."

The vast majority of businesses in black neighborhoods service the folks who live in those neighborhoods (blacks who, in Baltimore, are burning and looting their own neighborhoods)...to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Sumthin' else: (again, borrowing from my anecdote)
George has pissed me off and naturally (for me) I want redress.
I would, however, view with great suspicion the interest of strangers in my circumstance. ... #

But Henry, you've changed the specifics of the situation.

Try stating your case in terms of:
"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

[henry quirk]

"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

All more the reason for me to mebbe burn down HIS house (with him in it).

Sure as shit I won't burn down my own, won't burn out the neighbor on the other side of me who has done nuthin.

And: I would still view offers of help from strangers with great suspicion, wondering what they hope to gain ridin’ on the coat tails of MY circumstance.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

All more the reason for me to mebbe burn down HIS house (with him in it).
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Should that be interpreted that it is OK to settle grievances against law enforcement,
so long as only the jails, the police stations, cop cars, or local cop's personal houses
... are torched ?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

When is the last time white people rioted in America?

Srs question.

Of course these people were rioting for something really important ... QTwk-2fKT7o