What scares the f*ck out of you?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Ethics for the legal community? Bwahahahahahaha

Not that simple, maybe they object to the bride fucking a horse on the cake.
Where do you draw the line?

"...they object... = ... business owner objects... ?

That's the point, exactly. You don't draw the line according to the customer.

If your religious beliefs keep you from treating your customers equally,
don't get a business license to do commerce with the public.

( Some people don't believe in paying taxes ... Ask the IRS how that's working for them. )

BYW, Larry Archie's bill board is quite correct.
It's up to our legal system to say whether you're guilty, or not.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

"...they object... = ... business owner objects... ?.

Of course the business owner objects, for Christ's sake, why the fuck would the customer object to their own request? You do realize it's the customer that makes the request for a cake, right?

That's the point, exactly. You don't draw the line according to the customer.

OK, so you draw the line according to the customer's request? Or you can't refuse any request? If they can refuse, and don't give a reason, how do you claim it was because of religion or because the customer belongs to a group?

BYW, Larry Archie's bill board is quite correct.
It's up to our legal system to say whether you're guilty, or not.

Bullshit, you're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law until convicted, but if you did it, you're still guilty as a motherfucker.

[Lamplighter]

BYW, Larry Archie's bill board is quite correct.
It's up to our legal system to say whether you're guilty, or not.

Bullshit, you're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law until convicted, ...

Look closer... we're saying the same thing.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No we are not. No matter how many Shapiros, Cochrans, Baileys, Dershowitzs, Kardashians, or Archies you can afford, if you did it you're fucking guilty.

[Lamplighter]

OK, you win. Peace.

[henry quirk]

No sir, it (business) does not.

You confuse means with ends.

The only purpose of a business (what 'it' does) is to make a profit for the owners of the business.

How does 'it' do this?

By selling products and/or services to folks who want those products or services (or who have been convinced [by way of marketing] they want those products or services).

Business is not about selflessness or altruism or 'service'...it -- again -- is about making money for the owners of the business.

Now, I understand why this ('a business engages in commerce to serve the public') is attractive to some folks (I'm entitled, I'm owed, I deserve, etc.) but it's a false notion, a pernicious lie, and you'd do well to disabuse yourself of it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

The only purpose of a business (what 'it' does) is to make a profit for the owners of the business.
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Your basic premise is completely wrong. The purpose of communism is to enrich the Central Party. The purpose of the mafia is to enrich the godfather. The purpose in GM is to protect bonuses of top management. In every case, that is corruption.

The purpose of the electric company is to move electricity. The purpose of the water company is to move water. The purpose of banks is to move money. In every case, profit are only a reward - not the purpose.

When a company exists to enrich itself, then it is no different from the mafia. The mafia will break your legs if necessary to make a profit. Mafia does not care about destruction to the economy, peoples lives, and their long term survival. When profits become the purpose, then corrupt exists.

A company can either work for better products or for profits. Those that are patriotic Americans advance mankind by innovating - making better products. Those who have done so much harm (ie GM, AT&T, HP under Fironia, IBM under Akers, AIG, Ford under Henry Ford and Nasser, etc) were only interested in profits. GM is the perfect example. They even covered up the murder of Cobalt drivers for 14 years to only protect profits. Jeep explode for the same reason Pintos also burned their occupant alive. Because profits (not the product) was imporant.

The purpose of a law firm is to represent individuals. Lawyer are taught to defend people who they do not even agree with. The Civil Liberties Union defended Nazis (in Wisconsin?) because that is the purpose of that law firm. They need not agree with Nazis. But that is their job. That is what they said they will do. Defending clients you might hate is called professionalism.

Meanwhile, your religion is only between you and your god. It does not belong anywhere that it might be imposed on others. Once anyone does anything to others in the name of their religion, then their religion is Satanism. Religion is only a relationship between you and your god. It must never affect anyone else. America was founded (populated) by people who believed exactly that. By people who were fleeing from scumbags who would impose their religion on others.

Does not matter what your religion says. Patriotic American believe all people (no matter what their color, religion, sex, dimensions, etc) are equal. Only scumbag people like Hitler, Crusaders, ISIS, and Likud made judgments based in religion. Same people can also be brainwashed in the lie about what a company's purpose is.

[sexobon]

INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'Profit'

Profit is the money a business makes after accounting for all the expenses. Regardless of whether the business is a couple of kids running a lemonade stand or a publicly traded multinational company, consistently earning profit is every company's goal.

The path toward profitability can be long. For example, online bookseller Amazon.com was founded in 1994 and did not produce its first annual profit until 2003. Many start ups and new businesses fail when the owners run out of capital to sustain the business.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

... The only purpose of a business (what 'it' does) is to make a profit for the owners of the business. ...

This is correct. Revenues realized in excess of expenses and sustaining a business's status quo are profit. The purpose of a business is profit. The goals of those who reap the profit may be reinvestment into the business to grow, diversify, conduct R&D to create new marketable goods and services; or, doing pro bono charitable work, wielding influence ... etc. Businesses, rather than personal fortunes, may be established to achieve those goals; but, goals can change - the purpose of a business does not.

Some businesses may take longer than others make a profit. Positioning a business for sustainability may take more time than simply meeting expenses. That does not; however, mean that the purpose of the business isn't profit, just that it hasn't fulfilled its purpose yet. Even a subsidiary business operating in the red as a tax deduction for the parent organization exists for the purpose of overall profit just as business charitable contributions sometimes do.

Counterpoints suggesting that revenues beyond expenses aren't profit when they're reinvested into a business would have to demonstrate that those revenues were limited to just sustainment requirements and not growth. Then it would mean only that the business isn't profitable now, that its purpose isn't yet fulfilled. NPOs are beyond the scope of the initial contention and rebuttal as are definitions of "profit" derived from jargon relative to specific disciplines.

LLAP