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			I've installed a number of them, but the one I like the best was a three light fixture at the peak of the roof overlooking the driveway, a major PITA to install, since I had to basically create the mounting surface for the fixture. BUT, I don't expect to have to deal with it again. It will probably give good service to the next owner of the house. It puts out a great deal of light, usefully bright even two stories below and given the high installation point, the "cone" of light is quite broad extending over half the driveway. I'm very pleased with it. 
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			On the other hand, a couple years ago I bought two of these for a lot of money. Neither lasted more than 9 hours and collecting on the warranty from the internet was a nightmare.  
		
		
		
			 
		
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			Ever since they made incandescent bulbs illegal, I've been struggling with lighting in my house.  As I age, my sight is getting awful.   
		
		
		
		
		
		
			I guess I could try replacing my $3 incandescent bulbs with some $45 LED's.  
		
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			Dude, where are you shopping? They're trying to screw you. They should be $13, $17 at the most.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
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			Oh sorry, I thought you were saying one incandescent that cost $3. (And that's probably not even what they cost, but I haven't bought one in forever...)
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
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			 To shreds, you say? 
			
			
			
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			This is a joke, right? 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			Because they can have my incandescent bulbs when they pry them from my 2nd degree burned, dead fingers. 
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			They are banning simple gas water heaters next month too.  Next time you buy a water heater it will be about 4 times the price and require a special chimney liner and condensate  drain pipe near the heater. And wiring.  Whee!
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			This is just an industry using government regulations to get around 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	the costs of advertising and the need for good customer service... Our house is >100 yrs old, and we've lived here for 35 years Today I learned that if a house is not connected to a community sewer system, Oregon has a state-wide regulation requiring an permit for for septic system --- with an inspection every 3 years by a "certified inspector". The "inspector" is required to submit the report to the State, whether or not any problems are found in the state. If there is a problem, you're likely to get a visit from a State employee... So, it's like "asbestos" and "lead paint" and "radon" when it comes to buying or selling a house, and a "home inspection" is part of the Sales Agreement. It's a great shovel-ready-job-creation and $-making program for "certified inspectors" ... the guys that drive the septic tank pumping trucks, because one of the first requirements of a "certified" inspection is that "...the septic tank must be pumped...".  | 
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			Really?  Reeeeaaalllly?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			I almost researched this, but, I was too afraid it was real: 
		
		
		
			
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