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[Adak]

Originally Posted by tw

So Rush Limbaugh once visited Yale. That proves it must be true. A perfect example of motivated reasoning.

My problem with listening to Limbaugh, is that he continually attacks the Democrats - not just their policies, but them, unnecessarily.

I admit some Democrats seem to be so far removed from reality that they become icons for inanity: Nancy Pelosi is one of them.

Or they're terrible hypocrites like Dianne Feinstein, who keeps pushing gun control bill after gun control bill - all the while having a concealed gun permit, and a handgun she keeps with her. Dianne has been around several violent crimes (Milk assassination, Jones' cult in Guyanna when she went to investigate it, her home was burglarized, etc.). But she acts like she's the ONLY person who was ever the victim of a violent crime! When she was in S.F. politics, you couldn't get a CCW permit in S.F., because of her.

But we need to try to stay focused on the issues and policies, not the human failings of our politicians (as people).

Why do you think there's been a backlash against Obamacare? HINT: It's not because the rates are too cheap!

No, I didn't catch the researchers name, but that kind of info is coming out more, as people try to sign up at the ACA exchanges in their state.

So far, less than 1% of those who go to the websites, actually enroll in Obamacare, at any level, according to the British papers.

Washington Post (Not a Conservative paper), had this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...45b_story.html

Read this balanced article, with analysis by Actuaries, and you'll know the good, and the bad news about rates under Obamacare. Some groups will do well - older, poorer, sicker, but healthier, younger, or those with a larger family, will do much worse.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/10/...why_are_s.html

ACA doesn't allow a family to be insured as a group anymore. They have to rate each individual, and then add them all up to get the family's premium rate.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

Washington Post (Not a Conservative paper), had this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...45b_story.html

The Post is a pretty conservative paper, but gets a liberal reputation because of Watergate, and because their competition is the Washington Times. But more importantly, the author of that opinion piece is definitely a conservative.

ACA doesn't allow a family to be insured as a group anymore. They have to rate each individual, and then add them all up to get the family's premium rate.

Not true in general, but partially true, and should be fixed as soon as we have a congress that can pass fixes.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

Why do you think there's been a backlash against Obamacare? HINT: It's not because the rates are too cheap!

The backlash from Obamacare comes from the same reasoning and propaganda that called blacks 'niggers'. The same reasoning and propaganda that convinced so many that smoking cigarettes increases health. Ruch Limbaugh simply does what Hitler also advocated in his book. And that so successfully gets so many to smoke cigarettes.

Meanwhile, Obamacare was defined by conservatives think tanks, advocated first by Nixon, implemented successfully by Romney, and not attacked only for reasons based in emotion.

In the first Tea Party convention, straw polls asked who was most popular. The top three did not include any Republican politicians. The top three most popular were those who invent facts and inspire emotion to manipulate: Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck. That is where so many lies about Affordable Health Care come from. Tea Party types not only believe what they are told. They even tried to elect a witch to the Senate.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by tw

The backlash from Obamacare comes from the same reasoning and propaganda that called blacks 'niggers'. The same reasoning and propaganda that convinced so many that smoking cigarettes increases health. Ruch Limbaugh simply does what Hitler also advocated in his book. And that so successfully gets so many to smoke cigarettes.

Meanwhile, Obamacare was defined by conservatives think tanks, advocated first by Nixon, implemented successfully by Romney, and not attacked only for reasons based in emotion.

In the first Tea Party convention, straw polls asked who was most popular. The top three did not include any Republican politicians. The top three most popular were those who invent facts and inspire emotion to manipulate: Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck. That is where so many lies about Affordable Health Care come from. Tea Party types not only believe what they are told. They even tried to elect a witch to the Senate.

I'm not defending Limbaugh, nor espousing his positions. Leave Limbaugh (and the Nazi's and Hitler, and racist comments, etc.) out of it. They have no place in this narrative.

Of course the media types are the most popular in any new party's poll. They're the only one's who are on the air, hours at a time, all across the country.

Most voters (or either party), could not name ten federal politicians, from their party.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

Leave Limbaugh out of it. They have no place in this narrative..

They are a major if not #1 reason why so many in extremist districts hate Obamacare while knowing nothing about it and reciting myths such as 'death boards'. Obamacare has not even started. And already these Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity followers are saying how Obamacare has harmed the economy. When it comes to knowledge from emotions and myths, then listeners to Limbaugh, et al are easy to identify. They recite fables and parables that only exist in talk show fiction. Including 'death boards'.

How did Obamacare already destroy the economy? Even Congressional extremists were preaching that lie. With gerrymandering, then they were elected by margins such as 75%. Where must one usually go to find a 75% voting margin? Cuba? No consequences exist when your district will automatically believe what Limbaugh, Tea Party, et al tell them to believe. Lying has no consequences when a district is so one sided, easily misinformed, and will not vote for moderates.

Americans are looking forward to health insurance available to all - at reduced costs. As proven successful by Romney in MA. That reality is routinely forgotten by extremist talk show hosts and their listener.

These same extremists will not even apologize for their lie about Mission Accomplished - and a multi-trillion dollar debt that it created. We cannot even eliminate the penny and paper dollar bill - to save $billions. Same extremists who stifle progress also believe harming the American economy to attack Obamacare is good.