Obama Care vs Republicans

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Adak, once again you have diverted off to talking about "wealth", "goal", "taxes" etc.
That's either a debating tactic, denial, habit, O/C, or whatever ?

We started with Pelosi's comment about food stamps being a stimulus to the economy.

It's very simple...
When $ is spent on food in a local food store, it is income to the store.
When the store has income, it spends $ on employees, supplies, advertising, maintenance, and profit to the owners.
When people don't have $ to spend in the local food store, the store goes out of business.
That is the local economy.

When the government gives low income people $ 1.00, they spend it in the food store,
and it's employees and suppliers and advertising firms and contractors
and investors, each in turn spends portions of that $1 generating the $ 1.84 in the other expenditures.
That is the stimulus to both the (local and national)economy.

So, Pelosi was right... Right ?

It would be IF the dollar being spent, was a dollar that wasn't simply printed up by the feds, out of nothing but fancy paper and inks.

Take it a step further and see where it leads: The gov't decides it's a stimulus to the economy, and we definitely need a stimulus, so they give everyone food stamps, and lots of them.

The problem is, there is no more wealth added to the economy to support it. So our dollar goes into free fall, as inflation flies through the roof.

Almost every gov't does a bit of this, because they know that normally, there IS some wealth being added to their economy, year by year. In our case, we've overdone it, causing our dollar to sink in value, year after year.

[regular.joe]

Originally Posted by Adak

Take it a step further and see where it leads: The gov't decides it's a stimulus to the economy, and we definitely need a stimulus, so they give everyone food stamps, and lots of them.

The problem is, there is no more wealth added to the economy to support it. So our dollar goes into free fall, as inflation flies through the roof.

Thank the stars that we don't take it a step further. Lets talk about reality, only the lowest end of income qualifies for food stamps. So, in reality your argument here is pretty much hot air.

[Adak]

I have not heard what the Conservative leaders are saying about Obamacare, but I've heard no less than THREE Conservative talk show hosts - which is a LOT for me (caught them on breaks between ball games this weekend), remark that Obamacare is finished because of the poor roll out, the web site failures, etc.

And I've had my nose into some coding this last week, but that strikes me as the DUMBEST idea! A national health care plan will destroy itself, because the website failed during the first few weeks?

No way.

Conservative talk show hosts, you should hang your heads in shame on this crazy idea.

The British press has published some actual enrolled numbers into Obamacare, but official numbers in total, haven't been officially released yet. Whatever the numbers are, they should easily get the 7 million people that they say they will require, to keep the ACA viable. Out of over 400 million people or so, I'm sure they can enroll 7 million.

I'm not sure the ACA is worth spending a lot more time arguing over. It is the law, and it obviously will be tried for at least the next 15 to 24 months, to see how it goes. We have more pressing issues right now, like Iran's nuclear negotiations (now going on), the war still going on in Afghanistan, and our inability to stop the Fed's from over-spending.

You tried to stop ACA, but it was ill-timed and failed. Time to move on. We have a country to run here.

[glatt]

I heard some snippet at NPR this morning that said there are tons of people going to the sites to check them out and not actually trying to do anything. Tourists, basically.

They also said that most people disapprove of the sites in some poll they did, but the people who actually have gone to the sites rate them better than the people who haven't been.

For what it's worth, I checked out the site for Virginia, and was amazed at the number of options available. The prices were more than I'm paying now for my portion of my employer provided plan, but I'd need to dig out some paperwork to see if they are more than what I and my employer are paying combined. I think they are comparable. Also, at our income level and family size, we would be eligible for some discount. Not sure how much.

[Griff]

I heard an NPR report, last week maybe, interviewing a code monkey who explained how stupid the government always is on this kind of stuff. Basically they want all the functionality immediately instead a building a little at a time and adding more bells and whistles with each release like everyone else does it.

[Lamplighter]

Cheney is the topic of talking heads this week because he has "authored" a book about his heart.

USA TODAY
Susan Page
October 21, 2013
Cheney book documents his struggles with heart disease

He had the first of five heart attacks in 1978, when he was 37
and running in his first political campaign, for the Republican nomination
for Wyoming's sole seat in the House of Representatives.

Over the 35 years that followed, he has been saved from disability or death
through a series of medical advancements in treating heart disease that
often became widely available just at the time he needed them most.

He underwent quadruple bypass surgery in 1988 and, finally, the heart transplant in March 2012.

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Ummmm.... what are the odds for getting a transplant if you are/were not VP of the US government ?



By the way, Cheney supports the Tea Party assault on Obamacare.

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Cheney is the topic of talking heads this week because he has "authored" a book about his heart.

Ooh. That is news.


So Cheney has a heart. Who knew?