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I flatly refuse to believe that the government is only intercepting communications of foreigners.
I know that should some American citizen (wacko extremist though he may be) located in the country, make mention of some threat to the president, that it would be acted upon, even though the aforementioned wacko extremist was previously unknown to the government. Where is the fucking due process in this whole farce? Where is the check and balance of the three co-equal branches of government? Where is the transparency? sickening!
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still says videotape
Join Date: Feb 2001
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Screw checks and balances, no branch should be actively subverting the Constitution and right now by my count we are at two and three is likely.
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Washington Post Ellen Nakashima 9/8/13 Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011 Quote:
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still says videotape
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The Black Budget
Let's play the reallocation game! What would you do with $52.6 Billion a year that have demonstrably made us less free and likely less safe? Education, science research, space exploration, roads and bridges,...
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The beat goes on...monotonously and sadly
This article refers to NSA's collection and use of emails, social media, etc., to link people to others, who travels with whom, where they go. Washington Post Ellen Nakashima 9/28/13 NSA said to be studying some Americans’ social connections using e-mail, call data Quote:
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I read this article yesterday, and it blew me away.
This 3-page article goes on and on with a new release of what NSA has been doing. It seems outlandish to spend so many resources on fear, ...yet they still MISSED the Boston Marathon bombing. Shouldn't there be something like a signal-to-noise ratio or a risk/benefit analysis. Washington Post Barton Gellman and Ashkan Soltani 10/14/13 NSA collects millions of e-mail address books globally Quote:
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Arlington, VA
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They can't prevent stuff, because there is too much data. They can only go back after the fact and use their info to round up the rest of the gang after an attack has occurred.
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But from most every leak is a pattern. Most all averted terrorist attacks were from similar sources that also saw and suspected 11 September. Information that resulted in a memo on the president's desk warning of such an attack. And it was ignored. Most terrorism was averted by using conventional investigative techniques. Most every failure was due to people not following up on their information (ie underwear bomber). If all this high tech spying on Americans was so useful, then where are all the leaks reporting on those successes? Even bin Laden was located using more conventional techniques. Conventional investigations: Diana Deans and three other officers - discovered the bomb for LAX. Therefore the word went out from President Clinton to look for other attacks. Using conventional investigation techniques, they probably averted the bombing of Time Square, of Toronto, of the Radisson Hotel in Amman Jordan, and the bombing of the USS The Sullivans. Because top management put out the word and took seriously information from conventional investigation sources. These advanced investigation tools have proven useful AFTER other information targets a specific threat. IOW every one should require a bench warrant. Currently, even that legal requirement has been bypassed because, well, this is the problem. We still have not defined the definition of the word 'privacy'. And have too many lawmakers who are so wacko extremist that no time remains to address this now serious problem. |
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