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Old 04-06-2013, 10:45 AM   #1
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Corporations don't pay tax, they collect it. 100% of taxes paid by corporations are passed along to consumers. Lower corporate taxes means lower prices to us and less rationale to affect politics via the tax code.
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Old 04-06-2013, 12:22 PM   #2
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Maybe you have heard of the Tillamook Cheese Factory.
It is a producer of cedar cheese on the Oregon coast and a tourist stop.

Tillamook and the surrounding area are not growing in population.
It is no longer a major port for the timber industry (almost dead).
Head Start, etc., programs are being cut back due to cuts in funding.

Right now, work is under way to expand Runway 13-31 at the Tillamook Airport
(federal and state money) to accommodate large freight transports.
This multi-million $ construction is only to accommodate the Tillamook Cheese Factory.


Now this:
The Oregonian

Lori Tobias
January 06, 2012

Announcement of cuts at Tillamook Cheese Factory jolts coastal community

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News that the Tillamook Cheese Factory will eliminate 50 positions
has left the community for which it is named shocked and angry.

Now, the rural hamlet known for its dairy farms and pastureland must figure out
how to cope with the decision that will be felt by far more than the soon-to-be unemployed.

"I think it's just going to have a profound impact," said Tillamook County Commissioner Tim Josi.
"There are very few family wage jobs in Tillamook. It's going to have a ripple effect."
<snip>
"Not one word of this came down to me," said Josi,
who was raised on a dairy farm and whose brother still farms.
"They should have at least talked to us.

The Tillamook County Creamery Association is really Tillamook based.
The impact to the community should be a real big factor in whatever they decide to do.
It feels like they are acting like a big business like Boeing."

The association is made up of 110 dairy farm families that own the association, according to its website.
It was formed in 1909 to ensure the quality of cheese coming from the area. <snip>
Adak will certainly find a way to justify this waste of corporate welfare.
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:12 PM   #3
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"Because our distribution network was in Tillamook, we would literally make cheese at our factory in Boardman, Ore., then ship the cheese back to the Tillamook factory to age, then ship the cheese to a facility in Mountain Home, Idaho, to be shredded and sliced, then ship the cheese back to the Tillamook factory to be warehoused and distributed to our customers, and then in some cases the cheese would be shipped back to Idaho to our customers there," Strunk said in a second news release Friday.

The plan now is to ship the cheese to Mountain Home and Salt Lake City where it will be cut, wrapped and distributed. The Tillamook plant will continue manufacturing and packaging chunk cheese and distributing it to the home market.
Rather an inefficient network. Why not cut and package in Tillamook where it's aged, rather than Mountain Home? Be that as it may, I'll bet the answer to the change is in Salt Lake City. What did Salt Lake City offer the cheese company to move their operations there? Oh and how much of that offer comes from federal money... or Bain?
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:27 AM   #4
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Corporations don't pay tax, they collect it. 100% of taxes paid by corporations are passed along to consumers. Lower corporate taxes means lower prices to us and less rationale to affect politics via the tax code.
[grouch]So it would be in effect a consumption tax but easier to collect than a VAT? Speaking of politics in the tax code, are there not businesses like hedge funds which are presently focused less on consumers and more on stripping businesses and gaming the tax code anyway? I feel like I need to question much libertarian received wisdom because it appears the middle-class has disappeared by following certain conservative policies without skepticism. In my gut, I see the government and corporations working together against the interests of humans. We may be the consumers, but we are also the product being bought and sold.[/grouch]
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