The Real Mitt Romney

[Ibby]

Never going to see THAT from a conservative, Adak. Never.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Adak

Don't even think about judging the Tea Party or Republicans, or Conservatives, by looking at guys like Ron Paul. You ignore Ron Paul, and I'll ignore your Maxine Waters, OK?

I actually find Ron Paul rather amusing and I don't care who does or does not pay attention to Maxine Waters. I judge the Tea Party, etc. by their actions. I reserve my harshest judgments for folks like the ones who cheer for people without health insurance to be just left to die. The Tea Party did that and I hold them in the lowest possible regard with absolutely no apology for the judgments I have made about this group of sub-humans, .

Originally Posted by Adak

This is what we commonly see with the social welfare programs run by the gov't: ~ Oh boy, here we go! I’ll paraphrase from here since I actually read Adak’s link and then the link that the first link contained and then… ~

Anyhow, in summation: Uncle Sugar is handing out goodies left and right to undeserving shirkers and whiners just as we all suspected.

Apparently this journalistic news flash was pulled off by a couple of unemployed, former auto workers whose jobs were outsourced by Bain Investments to the NO TICKEE, NO TICKEE FEVER plant located in the outer part of Inner Mongolia. Shortly after the loss of their jobs, these two patriots both lost their homes to a sub prime lending outfit which needed to give out 11 million $$$ bonuses to their CEO’s that year.

Out of desperation, our two heroes whom I shall refer to as Moe and Curly, then decided to try their luck in the field of yellow journalism. The happy go lucky folks at Tea Bag Research Services gave Moe and Curly their first big break with an assignment to write a scholarly article about why every disabled person in the US should be left to die because everyone loved the idea and thought it was hilarious. Moe and Curl’s research would be published in the Journal of Irreproducible Results, a scientific publication with a wide readership among the illiterates residing in the so-called “Red States.”

However, even with this auspicious beginning, our two aspiring writers might never have made it into the annals of literary history. Although both had plenty of mistaken information, wouldn’t have known the truth even if it were spoken to them in tongues by a blue tick hound, and both men harbored enough prejudices and resentments to fill all the sheets of a phalanx of ku klux klan members; neither Moe nor Curly could type and Moe could barely even print. How would they ever be able to place their opus before an eagerly awaiting world?

All I can say is that thank FSM, the US has yet to outsource its methamphetamine labs to China. One night a friendly if toothless chemist wandered into the bar where Moe and Curly were drinking jello shots and trying to master the Palmer method on a number of crumpled bar napkins. Upon learning of the historic task facing the two jello drinkers (and managing to avoid thinking of Jim Jones), the chemist offered them the use of his old Underwood Typewriter that he kept for a doorstop on the step of his trailer/meth production facility located a mere 5 miles from town over 27 miles of rutted, winding dirt road. Moe and Curly accepted the offer at once, pulled off three all nighters and had all but the last 2 pages of their study typed up when the meth lab blew up and left the kindly chemist disabled for life. Fortunately for him, the local sheriff slammed him in the joint before the chemist had so much as a chance of even THINKING of going on disability.

Isn’t it nice how all that goes well, ends well?

And I do have a point in writing all this drivel besides just amusing myself. I could have quoted verbatim some of the more fantastic parts of Adak’s favorite link and the link within the link. I could have pointed out a number of scientific fallacies that were presented as truth by the writers of those diatribes against the disabled and against providing us with any assistance. I could have thrown in a bunch of sociological and psychological facts and included reams of my own experience and the experiences of other disabled Americans I know whose misfortune it is to seek help from the Feds.

But the Adaks of the world already have their minds made up. And a rather large segment of US society is still simply unwilling to look honestly at what has and is unfolding in this country. Times are not the best and when you need someone to blame in bad times, why not blame people who are poor because how dare they be poor in the “land of opportunity”?

This last actual comment I will make a legitimate response to after all:

Originally Posted by Adak

It's not that helping the needy is something we don't want to do, but this kind of half-assed approach that the politicians come up with, just gets played by lots of perfectly healthy people. I know two who qualified for this one, myself - nothing wrong with them. They just learned how to play the system, and the first guy, taught the second one, how to do it.

These comments make me want to take back everything I wrote earlier and embarque on a 20 page rebuttle complete with quotes and citations from every expert imaginable. However. I’ll try. To be. Brief.

When you read Moe and Curly's comments, it’s apparent almost immediately that they have never actually spoken to a real person in need of assistance due to a disability. They can’t even call the program by the correct acronym. It’s not DI, whatever that is. People are either awarded SSI or SSDI. SSI is much like welfare. It is a program for people who were unable to work enough quarters to qualify for SSDI (so much for Moe’s bright idea that people must work x so many years before they can qualify for help). SSDI is very much like the regular Social Security payments most people qualify for at age 66. It is considered EARNED income, paid for out of each paycheck that a worker earns until he retires or becomes disabled before retirement age.

Many people who end up on SSI are ones who suffer from a serious mental illness that prevents them from ever really being able to work. Schizophrenia is a prime example. It often seems to strike young people in high school or college. The symptoms are so profound that it is all the schizophrenic can do to merely survive – never mind hold down a job. You, Moe, and Curly need to leave the Dark Ages behind. Mental illness is very real. It can be very hard to treat. It makes the sufferer’s life almost unbearable at times. It can often prevent him from working no matter how much he may wish otherwise.

The politicians have indeed rigged the game – but not the way you’d like to think. About 70% of all applicants for disability are turned down the first time they apply. There seems to be little rhyme or reason to the decisions. Thus, the system ensures that just the cost of evaluating people will remain high – especially if you make it so you have to evaluate almost everyone twice.

I went through the entire miserable process and was turned down the first time despite the fact that Social Security’s own specialist whom I was required to consult gave me a diagnosis in no uncertain terms of complete disability with almost no chance of improvement – ever. I appealed, everybody on all sides wasted more money, time and paperwork, and when I walked into my hearing with the judge the first thing he did was look at their own doctor’s report on me. The judge read the thing twice, frowned, and told me that I shouldn’t even be here wasting his time. The system should have awarded me disability two years before. I could go home and wait for my paperwork to arrive in the mail in a couple of weeks. Why hadn’t anyone ever bothered to read that doctor’s report before? Beats me. But the mistake favored the government not me and that’s usually how it is for everyone.

I agree that some people do cheat or try to cheat the system. I always hear that , “Well, I know this guy and he’s blah, blah, blah.” I have my doubts. One, the system is actually very, very difficult to cheat. You have to have records and tests out the whazoo from different specialists and even different hospitals. You have that automatic 70% turn down rate, and we’re talking years of fighting Social Security here – not just a few weeks or months. If a person can work, it’s usually easier to just go get a job. I’m in a job training program myself and am chomping at the bit to succeed and get the hell away from the taint of the government. Don’t know if I’ll make it, but I’m trying.

Finally, people are not awarded disability for alcoholism or addiction. In fact, if you are suspected of being an addict, you entire application will be thrown out. But again, if you knew anything about modern medicine, you would know that it’s very common for a person to have a “dual diagnosis.” People who suffer from constant severe pain may get addicted to their pain meds. People who once led useful, self-supportinglives find themselves stuck in a bed or a wheel chair or are quadriplegic. This tends to be a mite depressing. Some folks drink at their depression. And you know what? I drank more alcohol than anyone should in a lifetime during the first 3 years after I was diagnosed. I didn’t even want to live. Then I got a new type of medication, different therapy and I started to feel some hope again. I quit alcohol completely. Don’t be so quick to judge until you’ve been there.

[DanaC]

Well fucking said Sam.

[Trilby]

most of the alcoholics/addicts I know (plenty) are dual diagnosed. they've been self-medicating for years and get hooked. loads of bipolars, schizoid personalities...it's a real mess. my neighbor, in his late fifties, has had a lifelong seizure disorder- he's wrecked two cars driving to work. He applied for SSDI three years ago. They are having to lawyer up to fight the denials he keeps getting. he worked until he just couldn't work anymore. He's got other health problems -COPD (no, he doesn't smoke) and diabetes and his IQ is somewhere around 80.

He's been denied SSDI even though he managed to work as long as he did.

Adak must be a youngster. They never think anything bad is going to happen to them. What college are you at, Adak? And my apologies if you've already mentioned it and Imissed it

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well fucking said Sam.

Thanks, Dana!

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Trilby

Adak must be a youngster. They never think anything bad is going to happen to them. What college are you at, Adak? And my apologies if you've already mentioned it and Imissed it

I'm retired, and not in the best of health.

@Sam, those cheers were from Ron Paul's camp, designed to show support for Ron. You'll never hear anything like that at a Tea Party rally -- never happen.

If Ron Paul shows up at a debate, and this particular question is asked, then you'll get this chant. The moderator knew it when he asked this question. All set up of course, to make the conservatives look cruel & inhuman, to the mainstream.

Did you notice in the debates, that the moderators were ALWAYS liberals - not a single conservative one in the group? That's not a random accident.

[Trilby]

sorry about your health, Adak.

there's a lot of people here who can relate.

[Lamplighter]

Back when I was taking my first course in Infectious Diseases,
an instructor said:
"Everyone in the world has a venereal disease, except me and wife.
"And I'm not so sure about my wife."

For Adek, it's the same sort of thing.
"Everyone in the world is a liberal, except..."

[ZenGum]

So, despite my rule of not believing anything we hear in the last week before an election ...

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/c...m-auto-bailout

Toledo, Ohio - Wednesday Evening October 31, 2012

For Mitt Romney, it's one scary Halloween. The Presidential candidate has just learned that tomorrow afternoon (November 1) he will be charged by the United Automobile Workers (UAW) and other public interest groups with violating the federal ethics in government law by improperly concealing his multi-million dollar windfall from the auto industry bailout.

At a press conference in Toledo, Bob King, President of the United Automobile Workers, will announce that his union and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) have filed a formal complaint with the US Office of Government Ethics in Washington stating that Gov. Romney improperly hid a profit of $15.3 million to $115.0 million in Ann Romney's so-called "blind" trust.

In what sense can a Union "charge someone"? Publicly accuse? Initiate legal proceedings?

Is it political mudslinging? Or is there a genuine offense behind this?

[xoxoxoBruce]

It's probably a political ploy to attract attention to this story Griff posted.

[Adak]

Sam, I could believe you - if only my eyes could actually see what you claim to be true.

Sadly, they can't, and so I can't. But I understand - facts are horribly resistant to the change that every liberal would love them to be.

It may be difficult to get into the SSD program, but it IS being done, by people who are SO DISABLED, that they run a roofing business, on the side, etc.

[DanaC]

How many claimants do you think are undeserving?

[Adak]

Originally Posted by DanaC

How many claimants do you think are undeserving?

I honestly have no idea of what the numbers are for fraud, with SSD. That's one of the problems - they have no one who checks on these claimants. Once they're approved, that's it. That is like a bear to honey.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

Sam, I could believe you - if only my eyes could actually see what you claim to be true.

Sadly, those who forget basic science routinely use observation as proof. You were taught in second grade science that observation alone is junk science. Also called lies. To know something means supporting facts with hard numbers. You never provide numbers. Your post classic junk science: subjective claims supported only by your feelings.

Sadly, you will not even answer a basic question necessary to have trust. Why did Romney say he was more liberal than Kennedy? You recommend him as a 'true conservative'? Well, Romney's strongest supporters are white men with the least education. People who foolishly know only from observation. Who only believe what they are first told.

Sadly, you demonstrate why my father so loved advertising. So much fun was to manipulate those with least education. Those who know only from observation. He loved to manipulate those who only know what first told.

Sadly also called Romney's strongest supporters. You never knew Romney said he was more liberal than Ted Kennedy. You never knew that Obamacare was based in Romneycare. You never knew Romneycare was first proposed in the Heritage Foundation. They forget to tell you that. Tea Party and Romney supporters only know what first told. They did not tell you those facts. So you remain in denial.

Sadly, your facts are inventions by people, like my father, who so loved to manipulate the most naive. White men with little education. Same technique also proved Saddam had WMDs. Same technique even blamed Saddam for 11 September. Same technique even proved that Pond's has Age Defying creams and Geritol for health. Scams are so easy among those who only believe what they are told. The naive only believe what they are first told. Sadly, even think observation is sufficient to have knowledge.

Why do you avoid the question? Why did Romney claim to be more liberal than Kennedy? Because he can lie. The most naive will only believe propaganda. He can lie because you forget or ignore facts. You refuse to answer the question for one simple reason. The powers that be have not yet told you what to think. You are why my father so loved advertising. Even your knowledge is only subjective observation. Fun is to manipulate the most naive (white men with least education) with outright lies. Sadly, even forget what was taught in second grade science. You know what the propaganda machine says to think. And think observation is sufficient to know something.

If informed, you could say why Romney once called himself more liberal than Kennedy. If informed, then you can say why Romneycare is so criticized by Romney. Sadly, you cannot. Sadly, you said, "Go ask Romney". An insult because you ignore Romney the flouder. Sadly you believe a politician will a history of flip-flopping. Sadly, you believe that means trust.

Sadly, you must even forget what was taught in second grade science. Sadly, that is why Romney's strongest supporters are white men with least education. People most easily manipulated by propaganda. You did not even know that Romney called himself more liberal than Kennedy. And that Obamacare is Romneycare. Sadly, you don't know that because propaganda machine did not tell you what to think.

Romney said he was more liberal that Kennedy. If honest, you can explain that. If dishonest or an uneducated white man (who even forgets what was taught in second grade science), then you must ignore or deny hard facts.

[Sheldonrs]

I wonder if it's true but it would not surprise me.

http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/18...ef=K-QMFvL1Z7I