The Real Mitt Romney

[Adak]

Originally Posted by BigV

Wow that's a high bar! You clearly have high standards for what you will consider valid information, and what you reject for lack of support. Your rigorous fact checking shows you only accept the truth on important issues and are never satisfied with mere assertion.

Yet....

You have never offered any support or "facts" for the smears spread by the Romney campaign that he will balance the budget by cutting taxes.

Nothing at all like the standard of proof you demand from others. This makes you a hypocrite as well as an ideologue. You can shed these twin millstones by producing some details about how Romney will manage his tax cuts and budget balancing. PLEASE NOTE I will only accept actual tax code sections, the dollar value of those sections and (since you such a precocious student of American Civics, the vote count in Congress for each of these changes to our tax laws).

I would challenge you to put up or shut up, but I realize that would be pointless, since you're incapable of either. Just so you know, until you produce some facts like you demand from others your voice, like any other well trained parrot, provides only entertainment, not information.

That was covered a few pages back, by another poster, as well as on the website that he posted the link to.

Romney's tax cut is not a "smear". It is a plan, and you may disagree with it, but it is, by definition, not a "smear".

If there is some specific part about it that you don't understand, ask away, and I'll try to help. On a forum, I can't go whole hog on big topics however. The forum has a size limit on posts, and I have bumped up against it, a few times.

The point of the "high bar", is that the data you'd need to prove or to disprove the smear against Romney while at Bain, is NOT available. Which is why it's such a great target for a smear by the Obama campaign. THAT is the point of the "high bar", to bring this point into focus.

IF the data was readily available, don't you think that Obama's campaign would be shouting the numbers in every ad, all across the country? That's why you can be sure that the data is not there.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

Romney's tax cut is not a "smear". It is a plan, and you may disagree with it, but it is, by definition, not a "smear".

Still pushing lies you were told to post. What happened to the many examples from history and other facts? Oh. You ignored them. Tax cuts typically result in recessions. Tax cuts to increase productivity has always been a lie that enriches the rich. And then results in a recession. No reason to list the so many examples from history. That also included economic boom after a tax increase. You routinely ignore what contradicts the party's rhetoric.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by tw

Still pushing lies you were told to post. What happened to the many examples from history and other facts? Oh. You ignored them. Tax cuts typically result in recessions. Tax cuts to increase productivity has always been a lie that enriches the rich. And then results in a recession. No reason to list the so many examples from history. That also included economic boom after a tax increase. You routinely ignore what contradicts the party's rhetoric.

Are these statements true or false, in your judgement?

1) gov't takes more money in taxes. I have less $$$ , my small or large business has less, so I spend less $$$, and my business spends less also.

2) gov't takes less money in taxes. I have more $$$, my small or large business has more $$$, so I spend more $$$ , and my business spends more also.

If they're both true, then I can have reasonable discourse with you. If not, then I can not. I have no connection with your reality.

Your Answer?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

Are these statements true or false, in your judgement?

1) gov't takes more money in taxes. I have less $$$ , my small or large business has less, so I spend less $$$, and my business spends less also.

Largely false. Money spent on the business is deductible, so it comes out of pretax dollars. Lowering the tax rate could lead to less investment in the business, since you would get to keep a larger share of any money taken out of the business.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Largely false. Money spent on the business is deductible, so it comes out of pretax dollars. Lowering the tax rate could lead to less investment in the business, since you would get to keep a larger share of any money taken out of the business.

Sorry, Happy Monkey, you're in the wrong tree!

The whole point is that you won't HAVE money to put into your business, because your customers didn't have the money to buy as much of your widgets.

Because the gov't took more of their money, and the gov't is also taking more of your personal income, also.

Didn't you ever run a small business before?