The Real Mitt Romney

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

Yes, you indeed have, especially since I haven't changed what I was saying at all, just how I said it. That seemed to work for you. Cheers, I guess.

One more time:

Your post in #363:

"Don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing about needing a "Conservative House of Rep. and Senate" to "help" anybody, nor is that relevant to the actual process of legislation."

Is incorrect.

The way it works is, congress can pass a law if it can break a Presidents veto, by getting a 2/3rds approval, in both the House of Rep. and the Senate.

It can pass a bill up to the President, despite opposition, if it has enough votes to break the opposition's filabuster, or if it can wear down the filabuster. That requires 60% of the Senators voting to stop the debate on the bill. Since a filabuster can done in different ways, what is needed to beat it may take different measures.

Without opposition, Congress can pass a bill up to the President if they have a majority who vote for it. On a tie vote only, the Vice President will cast the deciding vote.


Your post in #389:

"The political leanings of the members of the House and Senate have nothing to do with the actual process of legislation."

That's incorrect, obviously.

Some references are here, others you'll have to Google for:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/ref...s/glossary.htm

[Cyber Wolf]

Originally Posted by Adak

One more time:

The way it works is, congress can pass a law if it can break a Presidents veto, by getting a 2/3rds approval, in both the House of Rep. and the Senate.

Correct, and as you state, still not done by the President. No direct action taken by the President. Next...

It can pass a bill up to the President, despite opposition, if it has enough votes to break the opposition's filabuster, or if it can wear down the filabuster. That requires 60% of the Senators voting to stop the debate on the bill. Since a filabuster can done in different ways, what is needed to beat it may take different measures.

Very good, and again, as you state, still not done by the President. No direct action taken by the President. Next...

Without opposition, Congress can pass a bill up to the President if they have a majority who vote for it. On a tie vote only, the Vice President will cast the deciding vote.

Full marks, and once again, as you state, still not done by the President. No direct action taken by the President. Next...

Your post in #389:

That's incorrect, obviously.

Some references are here, others you'll have to Google for:

That's a webpage full of glossary terms. I'm seeing a whole lot about what the House does and what the Senate does, and a whole lot about term definition, such as what 'adjournment sine die' means. (Thanks by the way, that was a new term for me.) Fascinating. Do let me know if I missed it, but I'm still not seeing a term that defines how the office of the President has the ability to change the actual process laid out in Article 1, Sections 1 and 2 and further defined in the 17th, 20th and 25th Amendments because he's Conservative or Liberal or Insert-Label-Here. Considering the official guidelines for the creation of laws in this country, my statement is correct.

QED, the Office of President and what color his sign has on it has no direct effect on the process until the bill comes to him to sign, because that is his prescribed role. He can indirectly affect it as a champion and cheerleader; he talk to people and flex Executive Muscle, such as it is. He can go to Senator X's office, or House Leader Y's office and have a nice chat. And that might change some minds and a bill might sail through or get voted down because of it. He can sign it or send it back and say 'Do it again!' But he's not the one actually doing it. Therefore, anything he wants to do or have done must get past the 535 first. If most of the 535 like his plan, it'll be fairly easy; if most don't, it can be tough going; if most don't give a whatsit, then who knows. His political leanings do not supersede the 535 in the process. When it comes to passed laws, he can say "I had this done." He can not say "I did this."


And it is possible to talk about political process without being partisan. Jus' sayin'.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

And it is possible to talk about political process without being partisan. Jus' sayin'.

That's over in Aisle 5 under "Discuss the Political Process."

This is Aisle 7 "Reasons You Are Wrong If You Don't Love Mitt."

[Cyber Wolf]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

That's over in Aisle 5 under "Discuss the Political Process."

This is Aisle 7 "Reasons You Are Wrong If You Don't Love Mitt."

Aw man... there's no maps in this place!