The Real Mitt Romney

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Trilby

It's classicman, isn't it?

I'll betcha.

My vote too...

[Stormieweather]

I don't. But anywho...


Our country is not a business. That's the problem with promoting a businessman to run it. Running our country isn't about making money for the stockholders/elite and squeezing the most out of the employees/working folk in order to do it. Unless you are an elite, then maybe that IS what it's all about?

Our country is supposed to be about ensuring the future of our children and their children. Are we educating our children? Are we creating an economic model that will keep the working people happy and working for generations to come? Because when they become disillusioned, you will have revolt against the powers-that-be. Are we treating 50.8% of our population like second-class citizens or recognizing their right to be in charge of their own bodies/destiny? Are we teaching future generations to be tolerant of cultural/religious differences or are we teaching them hate and bigotry and intolerance? Because that won't end well.... Are we cultivating positive relationships with other countries or are we playing my military/penis is bigger than yours with everyone? Because our children have to deal with the consequences of this. We will be dead and gone while they send THEIR children off to die. Are we raping the limited natural resources of the only planet we have to live on? Or are we protecting them so future generations will have clean air and water and a healthy ecological cycle? It's not just about spending, although that matters too. History has shown that the economy is healthiest when taxes on the top earners is highest. Why is that such a sticking point? Taxing the Rich Clearly, because the richest and most powerful don't care about the economy/the rest of us in the long run, they care about their dollars, right now.
It isn't just about profits and sadly, that's what too many "businessmen" type politicians are focused on. How can I maximize the profit for me and my buddies? Use natural resources? Increase military spending? Remove financial regulations? Force working class to do more for less so my net income goes up? (ie: no minimum wage, no safety regulations, no unions, no benefits).

What I look for in a politician/leader is a vision for the future. How are their decisions going to impact future generations? What sort of world will my grandchildren be forced to live in?

If Mitt Romney and the religious right have their way, the future I foresee is incredibly grim.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I don't. But anywho...
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In the Hall of Fame

[Spexxvet]

I don't think Adak=Classicman. Classic doesn't put together so much undefensible bullshit.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I don't. But anywho...
Our country is not a business. That's the problem with promoting a businessman to run it. Running our country isn't about making money for the stockholders/elite and squeezing the most out of the employees/working folk in order to do it. Unless you are an elite, then maybe that IS what it's all about?

No, but our economy is sick, and it depends to a large extent on the health of our businesses, to keep everything together in our fiscal world.

Think about our children's future, if we have to close our businesses. Our entire economy would go belly up. That means our gov't won't be able to help us, either - because it will have no means to do so.

Our country is supposed to be about ensuring the future of our children and their children. Are we educating our children? Are we creating an economic model that will keep the working people happy and working for generations to come? Because when they become disillusioned, you will have revolt against the powers-that-be. Are we treating 50.8% of our population like second-class citizens or recognizing their right to be in charge of their own bodies/destiny? Are we teaching future generations to be tolerant of cultural/religious differences or are we teaching them hate and bigotry and intolerance? Because that won't end well.... Are we cultivating positive relationships with other countries or are we playing my military/penis is bigger than yours with everyone? Because our children have to deal with the consequences of this. We will be dead and gone while they send THEIR children off to die. Are we raping the limited natural resources of the only planet we have to live on? Or are we protecting them so future generations will have clean air and water and a healthy ecological cycle? <snipped for brevity>

What I look for in a politician/leader is a vision for the future. How are their decisions going to impact future generations? What sort of world will my grandchildren be forced to live in?

If Mitt Romney and the religious right have their way, the future I foresee is incredibly grim.

It's always smart to look as far ahead as you can to see whether you're headed in the right direction or not. Individually, or as a city, county, state, or country.

But let's put your concerns into context, with some facts:

1) We can never know all the implications of how what we do now, will impact our descendents. Hubris galore to believe that we could do that. Trying? Sure, but never knowing them fully.

2) Romney is not a religious nutter. He has a religion - isn't he supposed to have the FREEDOM to practice it, just as you or I have the FREEDOM to practice one or not, as we choose?

I don't see any threat from the right, to our Bill of Rights. If you do, what are they?

3) All the surveys indicate that religions in both the UK and the US, have lost a huge amount of members, in the last 50 years. That trend is showing every indication of continuing. That is causing the religious right to lose power, not gain it.

4) We need to re-think the idea of nation building when we go to war with groups like Al Qaeda. They are not a nation, and we don't owe Afghanistan billions of dollars in nation building and 10 years of fighting their "jihadi's". If they attack us, we attack them, but we don't stay for 10 years, traveling around the countryside with bulls-eyes on our backs. Six months should be plenty of time to defeat them, and go home.

5) If you're talking about Crony Capitalism for buddies, Obama is famous for it, as was Bush. It's a bad deal, because sometimes their "buddies", really are very well qualified for a federal position, but usually they're woeful. How can we make a law that permits the former, and stops the latter?

Probably best to simply have the press shame them. Will the press do that to Obama? Absolutely not. Barely did it to Bush, and the press didn't like Bush jr.

I reject the idea that we want to have one part of society, pitted in class warfare mode, against another part. That's been part of Obama's playbook, which is also a central theme in many radical playbooks. Typically, it's used to invoke changes that otherwise would be too unpopular to the public. If you work up some hatred for some class of people, then nobody will speak up when you take something from them - because they're hated now.

I'll promise you one thing, Obama will NOT be looked upon kindly by historians, for his use of class warfare. Frankly, it's contemptible.

Did you hear V.P. Joe Biden giving his first speech since his debate with Paul Ryan? The guy is wired stupid - referring twice to how Obama got our soldiers out of "Iran and Iraq".

Huh?

We've never been in Iran since Regan got our embassy hostages back, in 1980.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Think about our children's future, if we have to close our businesses. Our entire economy would go belly up.

As Bain has proven over and over.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

As Bain has proven over and over.

Do you have ANYTHING to back this up - anything remotely FACTUAL?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Do you have ANYTHING to back this up - anything remotely FACTUAL?

sigh...So you haven't been paying attention.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

sigh...So you haven't been paying attention.

Still waiting anxiously for that fact on the number of jobs lost versus the number of jobs gained, from the actions of Bain Capital.

All that "I lost my job due to Bain", stuff is real, no doubt, but it's VERY hyped by the Obama re-election campaign. The flip side "I have a job at Staples, etc., due to Bain Capital", is strangely never mentioned by the Obama campaign.

Of course, you believe only one side of the argument - naturally. You couldn't find any facts on it, and you couldn't believe that like everything else in life, there is a yin and there is a yang, an ebb and a flow, or as the wise man states: "a time for every purpose, under heaven". (Ecclesiastes, iirc).

Jobs are created, and jobs are lost in business. Any business. That is the nature of business, which follows the nature of life.