Ambassador Murdered

[Trilby]

Oh, yeah. And part of the Yangtze River ran red yesterday or the day before. She posted that, too.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...the same power trip that the clerics of Jesus, Buddha, Pele, etc, did.

Hmm... I may just have found God.

[Pete Zicato]

http://i.imgur.com/Hjbrj.png

[DanaC]

Good pic, Pete. I saw those signs on the news coverage last night. Kind of gives one hope for basic humanity.

[Ibby]

I'm in no condition to cite sources at this hour, but as Bruce said in post #7, from what I heard on NPR and, i think, MSNBC (could be mistaken on that count), the actual invaders in Benghazi were backed by people who could only have been armed by either an international terrorist syndicate or an organized national paramilitary group - a group of the type not backed by the recent popular uprising's government but more likely by the former pro-Gaddafi paramilitary thug organizations, though to be fair their arms could easily have been reappropriated - and so it's patently absurd to try to blame the wider Muslim society in Libya for the rioting or embassy assault, and even more ridiculous to try to blame all Muslims internationally for the wider sociopolitical context that led to the attack, or for anything resembling support for the murders.

[Trilby]

I think I just got served by Ibby. What is she, 19 or something?

good post, Ibby. like I said, I was posting hastily. I was pissed off b/c this ambassador guy sounded like a real friend to those people. See? I was Romney-esque. talking before knowing all the facts.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Ibby

..., the actual invaders in Benghazi were backed by people who could only have been armed by either an international terrorist syndicate or an organized national paramilitary group - a group of the type not backed by the recent popular uprising's government ...

It was Romney

Richard Engles:
At 10:25 p.m. ET Tuesday night -- after news of the attacks in Cairo and Benghazi
but before it was confirmed Stevens had been killed --
the Romney campaign released a statement in which Romney said,
Quote:
“I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions
in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi.
It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn
attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”<snip>
But a few hours later...

Andrea Mitichell:
Quote:
But NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reported that the Cairo embassy
statement was issued six hours before the mob attacked the embassy.
She pressed Romney foreign policy advisor Ambassador Richard Williamson
to explain why Romney had criticized a statement made before the mob assault.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Trilby

good post, Ibby. like I said, I was posting hastily. I was pissed off

Yeah. So was I.

But look at what we did. We went to a message board and posted some pretty non-inflammatory words.

I wrote:

Originally Posted by glatt

I want to be a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to the Muslims, but I don't think they all feel the same way. I'm not sure any of them do.

I'd take back that last sentence now. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Muslims are also live and let live. Just look at the numbers. In any angry, rioting, murderous mob you probably have only 1,000 maximum. Probably less than that. But let's say it's 1,000 people per mob.

There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world. So that's like 99.99995% of Muslims that are not attacking US embassies and killing the occupants.

And then the reports trickling in that this may have been a military action, and not a mob that was heavily armed changes the flavor of what actually went down.

When I made that post yesterday, the only news I had heard was that this heavily armed Muslim mob killed the Ambassador because of a YouTube video, and similar mobs were forming in other countries. I only saw reports of Muslims in favor of the mobs. Since then, I've seen a few Muslims condemning those acts of violence, and that's restoring my faith in mankind. I'd like to see more of that. Imagine a huge peace protest. Wouldn't that be cool?

[tw]

Rather interesting is a rumored Isreali, living in California, who is credited with creating that video. He cannot be found. Is rumored to have gone into hiding. His name appears to be ficticous. Just like a super PAC that the Supreme Court said has the right to say anything they can pay for.

According to the Supremes, he has the right to vocalize an opinion as long as it is not a felony and he can pay for it. Therefore any fictional person or corporation can do this. Responsiblity no longer applies.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by glatt

Since then, I've seen a few Muslims condemning those acts of violence, and that's restoring my faith in mankind. I'd like to see more of that. Imagine a huge peace protest. Wouldn't that be cool?

I don't know if it could be considered huge, but many in Benghazi are one step ahead of you.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...s-libya/56803/

I'm glad to see that. Supposedly a larger percentage of Libyans are still supportive of the US because of our help with overthrowing Qaddafi. According to what Clinton and Obama said in their statements, it was the Libyans who brought the injured Americans to the hospitals.


Edit: And just when we thought we there was hope, protestors in Yemen storm the US embassy there.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/globa...testors/56813/

[Undertoad]

And the response of Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi...

http://af.reuters.com/article/commod...8KCJ5X20120912

Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi asked the Egyptian embassy in Washington to take legal action in the United States against makers of a film attacking the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, the official state news agency said on Wednesday.

Mursi had requested the mission take "all legal measures", the MENA agency said, without giving further details on what that might involve.

Thanks Mursi that'll help

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

And the response of Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi...

http://af.reuters.com/article/commod...8KCJ5X20120912



Thanks Mursi that'll help

We may not agree, and he won't get anywhere doing it, but it's the civilized thing to do.

[Undertoad]

There are no laws in America that apply. Mursi is tacitly stating his support for *Egyptian* laws, says David Frum:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-khomeini.html

More serious is the exploitation by Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood president of the incident as support for anti-Islam blasphemy laws. It's important to understand that Morsi is concerned with Egyptian, not American, laws. Morsi is taking a page from the 1979 Khomeini playbook, fabricating an international incident to mobilize religious passions as a weapon for his political grouping against more secular blocs in Egyptian society - the Egyptian military very much included.

[BrianR]

Another take

The gist is that this was a planned attack in hopes of provoking a violent response from the Marine guards there. Apparently, this is a fairly standard tactic in certain locations around the world, not just the Arab world.

In related news, the AP has published the identity of the person who made the film at the heart of this incident.

******************
Law enforcement has confirmed that the anti-Muslim movie blamed for attacks at US diplomatic buildings around the world was made by Los Angeles filmmaker Nakoula Basseley Nakoula.

The Associated Press reported early Thursday that Nakoula, 55, is responsible for the "Innocence of Muslims,” the film that was said to ridicule the prophet Muhammad and, in turn, prompt violent assaults on US land overseas, including missions in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and the US Embassy in Yemen.
*****************

So, we now have allegations that both the pretext AND the result are both staged events. Hmmmmm.

Draw your own conclusions.

Pam

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

Rather interesting is a rumored Isreali

Coptic Christian.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3837...copts-film.htm

Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film's director supported the concerns of Christian Copts in Egypt about their treatment by Muslims.

Nakoula denied posing as Bacile, who supposedly is an Israeli Jew, although the Israelis say they have no record of such a person.

Drink every time tw blames Israel or an Israeli and gets it wrong.

You must drink