Guns don't kill people .... - Page 20

ZenGum · 04-17-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Legitimate is the sticky part isn't it?

I didn't mean to say all criminals will have guns. In fact probably fewer criminals would have guns because they would be more scarce. The some criminals having them and zero law abiding citizens having them part is a given under your scenario though. Remember, the courts have already ruled that the police have no obligation to prevent crime, only investigate it after it has occured.

Really? That might be a thing you could look at changing too. And regardless of "obligation", I can't believe any (well, many) police would stand back and watch some thug on a rampage, wait until he's finished, then go and arrest him. They intervene in that, when they can.

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On the flip side of all that is a law restricting guns to law enforcement and military (even if it were constitutional) would have the effect of making people who are law abiding citizens into criminals because I can guarantee a large section of the populace will not turn them in peacefully.

We had that argument here during our gun buy-back. Maybe a few people kept their guns, but there hasn't been a significant issue with it. Different situation, of course.
Of course, if such a law were somehow passed in the US, so many crooks already have guns and wouldn't hand them in, that it would be a total gimme for crooks. From where the US is now, I don't think you COULD achieve a low-gun society. Not without more trouble than it would be worth, anyway.

wolf · 04-17-2012, 10:49 AM

The government cannot "Buy Back" anything that it never owned.

Just sayin'.

Spexxvet · 07-20-2012, 09:57 AM

12 dead in 'Dark Knight' Colorado theater shooting

How about this proposal: anyone can have any kind and number of guns they want, but if your first trial determines that someone is negligent or criminal, they are immediately executed. No appeals. Since people kill people, and all.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2012, 10:10 AM

I'll buy that.

sexobon · 07-20-2012, 12:23 PM

First we need to determine how many of the theater goers were wearing hoodies in case it's hoodies that kill people.

wolf · 07-20-2012, 12:53 PM

Were the people he shot talking and texting during the movie? That would be reasonable justification.

Lamplighter · 07-20-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon

First we need to determine how many of the theater goers were wearing hoodies in case it's hoodies that kill people.

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Originally Posted by wolf

Were the people he shot talking and texting during the movie? That would be reasonable justification.

Very funny

toranokaze · 07-20-2012, 08:39 PM

The dark knight rising I hear it is to die for

ZenGum · 07-21-2012, 06:41 AM

Well, this seems forgivable, presuming they went to press before the incident.

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but this is just lazy and stooopid

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Clodfobble · 07-21-2012, 02:31 PM

Why does the apology post have an earlier timestamp than the aurora one?

ZenGum · 07-21-2012, 09:06 PM

Good point. I notice one is via web and the other via iphone, and I guess that some multiple time-zone malarky is involved.

Doofus marketer made the first post, more senior exec had to step in and clean up the mess, maybe.

Spexxvet · 07-23-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

12 dead in 'Dark Knight' Colorado theater shooting

How about this proposal: anyone can have any kind and number of guns they want, but if your first trial determines that someone is negligent or criminal, they are immediately executed. No appeals. Since people kill people, and all.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I'll buy that.

Anybody else have an opinion?

Lamplighter · 07-23-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Anybody else have an opinion?

Sort of like pedophiles
... a trial is after the event and the person is apprehended and brought to trial and found guilty.

After all that, capital punishment is an (one-time) effective deterrent of recidivism,
but unfortunately it's not very effective as a preventative in the first place.

It won't happen in my lifetime, but eventually I believe this nation will demand
that the Supreme Court will revoke it's current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
(Now, everybody go buy ammunition and hide your guns)

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Spexxvet · 08-06-2012, 03:44 PM

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OAK CREEK, Wis. — The gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple south of Milwaukee on Sunday and critically wounded three others, including a police officer, was identified Monday as Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran with reported links to the white supremacist movement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...a11_story.html

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-06-2012, 06:54 PM

If they don't like genocides, the nation won't ask for gun control.

Joe Klein, Time magazine, wrote the current issue's cover story, Why Guns Won. Mr. Klein is the last person on Earth who ought to be writing about guns, for he is a giant statist and a gunbanner of many decades' standing. He's never been aware that a disarmed populace is necessary to a genocide, for otherwise that mass crime becomes impossible to commit.

Since I have some idea of the position he'll take, in defiance of the repeated Lott studies among others, I doubt I'll read the article.

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Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	12 dead in 'Dark Knight' Colorado theater shooting How about this proposal: anyone can have any kind and number of guns they want, but if your first trial determines that someone is negligent or criminal, they are immediately executed. No appeals. Since people kill people, and all. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Were the people he shot talking and texting during the movie? That would be reasonable justification. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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07-21-2012, 09:06 PM	#296
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Good point. I notice one is via web and the other via iphone, and I guess that some multiple time-zone malarky is involved. Doofus marketer made the first post, more senior exec had to step in and clean up the mess, maybe. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	If they don't like genocides, the nation won't ask for gun control. Joe Klein, Time magazine, wrote the current issue's cover story, Why Guns Won. Mr. Klein is the last person on Earth who ought to be writing about guns, for he is a giant statist and a gunbanner of many decades' standing. He's never been aware that a disarmed populace is necessary to a genocide, for otherwise that mass crime becomes impossible to commit. Since I have some idea of the position he'll take, in defiance of the repeated Lott studies among others, I doubt I'll read the article. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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