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Originally Posted by Undertoad

But wait, that doesn't work so much for me. I don't care about you enough to work hard to convince you. I care about you, but not that much.

It has nothing to do with me, or what my criteria is, or why you would care to convince me. That is way off-point.

The only thing that matters is doing the work to verify facts, to check hypothes. Demonstrate the foundation for a statement, i.e. what are the fundamental components--how do we know they fit together in the fashion suggested?

If these things can't be done, then what has been posited is classified as "file 13" --garbage. Not by me, but by the tireless global community of thinking individuals which constitute the vanguard of human culture and knowledge.



It has nothing to do with me, or whether you think I'm arguing with you. There is a correct procedure, well-defined and having stood the test of time. If you aren't following it, and I'm the one who has to bust your balls, and you want to spin that as me "arguing" with you, then you're really missing the point. Do your homework, because you aren't getting any free passes.

To flip this to the counterpoint--why should I care enough about you to take your glib statements at face value?