"She", not "he", guys

[Stormieweather]

Nah...I think it's just simple courtesy.

If HQ wants to be called Lord God Quirk, it is absolutely no skin off my back to call him this.

If Ibram wants to be called Erica or she, it harms me not a bit to comply.

In both cases, doing as requested is courteous and polite. I've hurt no one by going along with the program. I'm intelligent enough to know that HQ is not MY Lord God, although maybe he's someone elses? I am aware that Ibram has the biological organs of a male, but if this is not what she feels defines her gender, who am I to argue?

I think it's terribly arrogant to assume that the only "definitions" that matter are the ones we personally know and use.

[henry quirk]

"Nah...I think it's just simple courtesy.'

I disagree, but, as you like.



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"I think it's terribly arrogant to assume that the only "definitions" that matter are the ones we personally know and use."

And I believe it arrogant to twist descriptors into meaning 'nothing'.

*shrug*

But, as you like.

[Undertoad]

UT, as I said 'I await the evidence'...till then: 'he'.

So you said. Inherent in that statement is that you don't know whether evidence was been or will be brought.

Psychology has forever labeled certain traits "disorder", only to learn later that they were only considered disorder because of the cultural norms of the day.

Such was homosexuality, which was considered to be due to uncorrected personality traits* up to about three decades ago.

And gays, as a result, were (and are) treated so incredibly poorly. Well, we didn't know.







*by Robyn Hitchcock

[Lord God Quirk]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Nah...I think it's just simple courtesy.

If HQ wants to be called Lord God Quirk, it is absolutely no skin off my back to call him this.

Can I call you Betty?

[Rhianne]

I wanted to comment but don't really feel like bringing my own uncorrected personality traits into the discussion so I'll just say that I *heart* Robyn Hitchcock and leave.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Lord God Quirk

Can I call you Betty?

As you like...

[footfootfoot]

If you'll be my bodyguard. I can be your long lost pal. I can call you Betty And Betty when you call me. You can call me Al.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If Ibram pretends to be a woman, there is no cost to me.

If I -- knowing Ibram is male -- pretend he's a 'she' then I lie (to myself) and in the lie, I diminish myself, to myself.

That Ibram lies to himself is irrelevant to me: that I lie to myself to make Ibram feel good is a high price I won't pay.

lol Bullshit.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If I demand to be called 'Lord God Quirk', will you comply?

I'm no more a 'lord' or a 'god' than Ibram is a woman, but his demand is complied with, so, why not mine?

Because to do so makes you a liar and a bit of an idiot.

So, if you lie and engage in idiocy calling me 'Lord God Quirk', then, maybe, you lie and engage in idiocy calling a 'he' a 'she'.

But: do as you like...I certainly will.


And: If Ibram is secure in his self-definition, then it shouldn't matter if some jackass refuses to call him 'her'.

That he is so offended by my lack of compliance says a lot about his insecurity, and, if he 'is' so insecure perhaps he should have kept the self redefining under wraps till he could stride forth in nylons and not give a damn what any one has to say.

*shrug*

Your archaic views on gender identification are showing...still.

[John Sellers]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If I -- knowing Ibram is male -- pretend he's a 'she' then I lie (to myself) and in the lie, I diminish myself, to myself.

Well, if that's how you see it, then that's yer deal, but IMO, you're seriously messed up in the head.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

If I demand to be called 'Lord God Quirk', will you comply?

Again,

[henry quirk]

UT: your point?

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Lord God Quirk: nice name...

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Ali, John: not worth responding to.

[henry quirk]

If he has a penis, is genetically male, then -- despite *self-definition -- he is 'he'.

Yes?

No?

Opinions?

[infinite monkey]

Here's something I've been thinking of lately.

So let's say I announce to my african-american cow orkers that I 'feel' black and therefore I would like to be considered black. I want to fill out forms and check 'african-american.' I've never felt white (probably 'cause I'm such a good dancer) and I don't want to BE white. I want to be more susceptible to sickle cell anemia. I want to be counted in the 'black vote' and I want them all to acknowledge that YES, I am black.

They'd laugh me right out of the office. What the fuck do you know about being black? You were raised in a white household and you went to an almost all white school out in the boondocks. You went to a predominately white church. We love that you want to be black but YOU ARE NOT.

So I argue that I perceive myself as black, and if they don't start addressing me as "sistah" I'm going to get very angry. How dare they tell me I'm not black, just because they've actually experienced what it is to be black in this society?

[henry quirk]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Exactly!

[classicman]

{{head explodes}}

Ding ding ding!!! We has a winna!