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Old 06-08-2012, 04:40 PM   #1
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I have to reluctantly agree. This has gone on to long. We should have been out years ago. Typically the American public has no stomach for long term actions. Now if we can just get Obama to stop killing civilians with drones we might actually make some headway in killing those who need to be killed.
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:00 PM   #2
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We should have been out years ago.
And we clearly could have been had politicians not violated so many well proven military doctrine. Anyone watching the movie Patton can say why Afghanistan will be a defeat. Patton said the same thing about Germany. We had six months to rebuild the country. If phase four planning does not exist before the first battle and if not implemented, then all victories on the battlefield are lost.

We did no planning for the peace in VietNam. We did no planning for the peace in Iraq. Therefore most of the American deaths in Iraq were a direct result of Bremer, et al. We literally surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban using the exact same logic. Making it almost impossible to win. Seeds of defeat were planted by low intelligent politicians in 2003. There was no phase four planning. The politicians literally yanked victory from the military's mouth.

Well, the generals were told they had 18 month to fix Afghanistan or get out. Obvious to most observers. The generals have taken an attitude that they can stay for another ten years. Cost analysis of their plan says $1 trillion. But generals really have no grasp of costs. Nor care. The largest expenditure on the Pentagon budget is training of Afghanistan troops. Those costs are even higher than the cost of the entire F-22 advanced fighter program. The most expensive fighter plane in the history of the world.

Again, had basic military doctrine been implemented (as was known even 2500 years ago), then we would not have been defeated in Afghanistan. But some idiot decided to Pearl Harbor three other nations. Iraq, Iran, and N Korea. We now have the results of that "you could not be any dumber" stupidity.

As was even discussed in the Thomas Barnett book (that UG still plans to read), no phase four planning means a military defeat.

Richard Holbrook till his dying day constantly warned us that Afghanistan was potentially another VietNam. He was obviously correct. But too many just refuse to learn the lessons from history. Complete with an Afghanistan government that has the same disease found in the S Vietnamese government. DejaVue Nam.

Due to stupidity in 2003, the military victory was abandoned when the US in 2003 surrendered to the Taliban. In 30 years, another generation will make the same stupid mistakes rather than learn from history.

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