Those who desire power...

[Griff]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

It does sound like the sort of thing Plato would have said.

But this:


See, USA, there's your problem, right there.

Who the hell would want to be president right now? Why would anyone sensible want that? Massively high pressure, have to work with any number of assholes, not terribly well paid, short term, and with a murder rate of around 10% one of the most dangerous legal jobs in the world.

No wonder the candidates are so crap.

I think you're on to something here.

Originally Posted by Brianna

Wait.

Foot lived with Tibetan monks?

That boy is an onion see. If he takes a deer he hasn't taken.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Wait.

Foot lived with Tibetan monks?

Actually, Rinzai Zen monks if you must know.
And it's onion layers all the way down.

Killing is killing, deer, carrots, nothing on this planet lives except at the expense of another life. That's what makes earth a special kind of hell.
I try not to recognize an anthropocentric hierarchy.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Look, man, I went to this massively self-wanking liberal arts honors program, yeah? And Plato was, like, our fucking mascot. I honestly cannot even remember which class made me read The Republic because I think it was all of them.

And hey--hey. Don't act like you couldn't quote the shit out of Buddha if that happened to be what Flint was asking about! Someone who lived with Tibetan monks doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, ya feel me?

That eyebrow was more to say "Can you make me impressed with you any more?"

[regular.joe]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Actually, Rinzai Zen monks if you must know.
And it's onion layers all the way down.

Killing is killing, deer, carrots, nothing on this planet lives except at the expense of another life. That's what makes earth a special kind of hell.
I try not to recognize an anthropocentric hierarchy.

The only thing that can ever exist is our experience of right here/right now. The universe does not think of itself as the center, neither should we. Hmm..or perhaps because we think of ourselves as the center the universe does. Either way the universe cannot kill itself.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

That eyebrow was more to say "Can you make me impressed with you any more?"

I think the real question is, starting from where I am now, how fast can I make you totally digusted with me?

What movie was that? I have only this vague sense, a character who deliberately built up the love before proving what a bastard he could be, because he especially enjoyed crushing people's trust in their own judgment. And then his new challenge was to win them back anyway.

[jimhelm]

dangerous liasons?

[Clodfobble]

Yes! The toying with Michelle Pfeiffer. That was exactly it.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Flint said posted it

I may have. But I will say this:

Power over yourself is the only power you can hope to acheive.
Power over yourself can never be fully acheived.
Therefore, power is an illusion.

[jimhelm]

So who fucking said it?

[Griff]

The American voter.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

What movie was that? I have only this vague sense, a character who deliberately built up the love before proving what a bastard he could be, because he especially enjoyed crushing people's trust in their own judgment. And then his new challenge was to win them back anyway.

The Biography of Newt Gingrich?

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Ozymandias -

One of my very favorite poems. Up there with Langston Hughes' "Mother to Son" and "Westron Wind" (possibly the earliest recorded bit of English).

[Flint]

If I said it, then I said it, and I'll say it again: Those who desire power don't deserve it.


On the other side of things, aspiring to serve, I read that the founder of the "Servant Leadership" movement got the idea from reading Herman Hesse!

[ZenGum]

Those who desire power should not have bought a prius.

[pastortoy]

George Carlin.