Wall Street Protests

[Lamplighter]

ENews Park Forest
Occupy Portland: Update on Jamison Square Sit-In

But the protesters and officers weren’t all business.

“When they started chanting ‘You’re sexy, you’re cute, take off the riot suit’,
the protesters and officers were chuckling.”

After the protesters sitting were arrested, remaining supporters flooded the square and
continued to protest until the park re-opened at 5AM with no further arrests.

[SamIam]

And from Occupy Denver:

DENVER -- After violent clashes with police Saturday, Occupy Denver demonstrators focused Sunday on getting arrested activists out of jail and promoting a peaceful message.

By late Sunday night, Occupy Denver organizers said all but one of the 20 protesters arrested Saturday had been bonded out of jail with donations from volunteers.

They also said the National Lawyers Guild mobilized more than 45 attorneys willing to represent those arrested for free.

David Blessing was one of the protesters who bonded out Sunday night after being arrested for failing to comply with a police order.

"I hope our actions will help the American people see how determined we are," Blessing said. "The police were under orders. They do their job. The problem isn't with the police. It's with the people who tell the police what to do, and that's the politicians."

Meanwhile, protestors held a candlelight peace vigil Sunday night, blaming police for the chaos and accusing officers of excessive force.

I don't know which side is right on this or if they both are, but I HAVE been in downtown Denver on a Saturday night. It can get pretty wild around closing time and then throw in a bunch of protesters and good luck EVER figuring out who was who.

[henry quirk]

Essentially, this is the way things are...

Occupying monkeys fling poop at rich monkeys 'cause the rich monkeys have more bananas.

Envy, they name is 'occupant'.

Perhaps if the occupying monkeys were brighter, more innovative, more robust, they too might be rich monkeys with loads and loads of bananas.

Alas, no: the occupying monkeys are dumb, dull, and lazy...they belong to the 'think outside the box' generation and yet not a single one 'can' (think outside the box, or the cage).

Each believes, simply because he or she 'is' a monkey, other monkeys owe him or her bananas.

Insanity, thy name is 'occupant'.

The rich monkeys have the bulk of the bananas...how they got the bananas (*legally, illegally; morally, immorally) is irrelevant...they HAVE the bananas and the envious, occupying, monkeys' do not.

This will not change.

*shrug*








*absurd fictions that change with the seasons

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Essentially, this is the way things are..

No its not. You can't generalize all of OWS as that, not even close.

[henry quirk]

Sure: the monkey who 'has' today may be the monkey who 'has not' tomorrow.

What, however, 'is' constant is disparity, inequity...some monkey will always have more bananas than another, and -- in most cases -- the one who has less will envy the one who has more.

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"No its not."

Yes, it is.

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"You can't generalize all of OWS as that, not even close."

Yes, I can.

[Lamplighter]

But if one MONKEY is beating up other monkeys and taking their bananas,
there will eventually come a way for the multitudes of monkeys to stop the MONKEY.
That's not called redistribution of wealth.

It's called: "Look out, MONKEY, we 99% monkeys know where you live".

[henry quirk]

If one monkey has access to, say, 400 million bananas, I'm thinking he can afford to give the finger to all those impoverished, occupant, monkeys...after all, 20 million bananas buys a helluva lot of gorillas, each more than capable of dealing with anything the occupants monkeys can foist up.

Yes, Virginia: it really does come down to 'might makes the right'.

As I say up-thread, 'how they (the banana-having monkeys) got the bananas (legally, illegally; morally, immorally) is irrelevant.'

Why irrelevant?

'Cause 'morality' and 'just' are fictions.

In the same way: the envy of the banana-less monkeys is morally neutral (amoral).

I don't decry the occupants for envy, only for their *dishonesty.

They dress up 'envy' in pretty clothes and call it 'right' and 'moral'.

Just pony up with the truth, for a change, that being, 'we want your bananas!'









*Also irrelevant...I'm just sayin'...

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"No its not."

Yes, it is.

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"You can't generalize all of OWS as that, not even close."

Yes, I can.

Funny. I agree with almost everything you said on a philosophical level but your application of it is pretty overly cynical. I agree that there is no such thing as economic justice no matter what. Economic status comes from an extremely complicated mix of external and internal factors which are not independent of each other (if you grew up in a hard working family you will most likely be hardworking, etc).

Yet, it makes no sense to state the lack of economic justice and then just assume that OWS is just about the 'much dumber than Quirk sheeple' complaining about an unjust system. You could twist everyone's arguments into making it seem like they're being envious, but that would be just as successful and practical as trying to convince every white person that they are racist.

Many people, including myself (while I don't associate with OWS) believe that a socioeconomic system that heavily favors the rich is bad for the country on multiple levels. I don't disagree with socioeconomic systems favoring the rich, that is reality, but there is a limit to where it hurts the country as a whole. I believe we are at/past that limit and our country is hurting because of the actions of a few (even though I do have an understanding where their actions come from).

That is not envy. That is practicality. Jump off the philosophical train and into reality.