I don't have a dog in this fight, but...

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by BigV

None of us know because the settlement contained a non disclosure agreement. Do you know the answer to any of these questions? I think Cain has drawn so much of the worst kind of attention to himself in this imbroglio. He *acts* guilty by the way he's changed his story, by the way he's parsed words "I'm not saying I didn't sign it, I'm saying I don't recall signing any settlement." etc etc. The last time I heard this kind of response was from my eight year old trying to get out of punishment for not taking out the trash. "I am not saying I didn't take it out, I'm saying I don't remember if I took it out."

FFS. You have children. Don't you recognize this voice, this uncomfortable squirming? If he did it, he should man the fuck up and say so. If he did not, he should man the fuck up and say so. He's had ten days BEFORE the story broke to get his shit together. ****THIS**** constitutes his shit being together?

Not good, not good at all.

Bottom line, Liberals are willing to jump on the band wagon of demonizing Cain over accusations where as they have no defense over a sitting President shooting his DNA on a young professional staffer while in the White House. An accusation is just that, often the expedient thing to do is to arbitrate, and what ever the decision is after that is what happens, you pay them off, you agree to something in private, issue over. It still does not rise to the level of High Crimes and Misdemeanors, as Clinton was accuse of (due to his lies on the stand), not to mention his lies to the public, "I did not have sex with that woman". You people become more laughable every day....

[BigV]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bottom line, Liberals are willing to jump on the band wagon of demonizing Cain over accusations where as they have no defense over a sitting President shooting his DNA on a young professional staffer while in the White House. An accusation is just that, often the expedient thing to do is to arbitrate, and what ever the decision is after that is what happens, you pay them off, you agree to something in private, issue over. It still does not rise to the level of High Crimes and Misdemeanors, as Clinton was accuse of (due to his lies on the stand), not to mention his lies to the public, "I did not have sex with that woman". You people become more laughable every day....

As usual, you don't answer my questions.

As for what happened between Clinton and Lewinsky and what happened between Cain and these three women, you fail to make a distinction between consensual sex and sexual harassment. They're as different as happy-sexy-fun time and rape. Consent is crucial. It seems clear that there was consent in Clinton's case, it seems equally clear, indeed the very definition of sexual harassment, that there was NO consent in Cain's case. If you don't understand this, or don't respect this, you need to stay the fuck away from me and my family and my friends. It's not that hard to understand, but based on your post above, you don't get it.

What I find hilarious is that your "defense" of Cain is "Clinton did it!" REALLY? That's... ok with you? That Cain's no worse than Clinton? You've made your opinion of Clinton pretty clear over the years, and if this isn't damning with faint praise, I don't know what is. Hilarious.

You don't get what sexual harassment means and you excuse it because other people did something. If attitudes like your continue to represent Obama's opposition, this is gonna be easier and more embarrassing than I previously expected.

[DanaC]

Seriously? You're wheeling out Clinton? What's the statute of limitations on that being at all relevant to what's going on now?

Do Republicans get a free pass on outrageous womanising and/or harrassment because a Democrat president got caught out over a decade ago?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Seriously? You're wheeling out Clinton? What's the statute of limitations on that being at all relevant to what's going on now?

Do Republicans get a free pass on outrageous womanising and/or harrassment because a Democrat president got caught out over a decade ago?

Do Demoncrats get a free pass on outrageous womanising and/or harassment? Please the duplicity is palpable. What Horse Shit. Anytime some one brings up old Willie's indiscretions people jump on the band wagon "Who cares about his personal sex life"? Are you freaking kidding me. Clinton may have raped a woman and you act like you don't care?!!? WTF?

[TheMercenary]

At least have the decency to be consistent.

[DanaC]

Accused of rape, not convicted of rape.

And I still don't see what any of that has to do with Herman Cain.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Accused of rape, not convicted of rape.

And I still don't see what any of that has to do with Herman Cain.

Herman has not been convicted of anything. He has been "accused" in the news, not in the courts, as Clinton has been and was subsequently convicted of perjury! This is nothing short of a Smear Campaign.

[classicman]

At least Clinton and Lewinski had a mutually agreed to affair. Simple as that.

Cain has been accused of something completely different. In my opinion, something even worse. He has been horrible at coming forth with his utter lack of recollection one day and then very specific tidbits the next.

I do not like what Clinton did, nor do I like what Cain has been accused of doing. I cannot do anything about Clinton. However, I can certainly not vote for Cain.
Sex scandal aside, he'll have even more trouble defending the pending issue with campaign money. Stick a fork in him. He's done.

All that aside, his lack of knowledge about foreign affairs and his ridiculous 9-9-9 are reason enough not to vote for him.

[Lamplighter]

Of a sudden, Merc seems to have a dog in this fight !

Don't forget, Kennedy was a Democrat with a less-than-sparkling reputation.
And LBJ was accused of having affairs and he was a Democrat

Funny thing is, I don't think anyone accused Nixon or Little Bush of having affairs.

What should we surmise from all this ?

[DanaC]

Yehbut.....Clinton didn't have his shit together and he was a democrat!

[Griff]

The accusation seems to be bolstering his support. It is working backwards, his lack of serious ideas is being lost in the automatic left / right side picking.

[glatt]

The funny thing is, it's got nothing to do with the left. It's right vs. right. I'm a lefty, and I see all this unfolding and I don't care. Cain looks like an idiot, sure. But they all do. It wasn't a liberal smear job against Cain, it's the conservatives tearing each other apart.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by glatt

The funny thing is, it's got nothing to do with the left.
It's right vs. right. I'm a lefty, and I see all this unfolding and I don't care.
Cain looks like an idiot, sure. But they all do.
It wasn't a liberal smear job against Cain, it's the conservatives tearing each other apart.

Glatt is right on...
Fox News
By Chris Stirewalt
November 03, 2011
The Curious Case of the Cain Conspiracy

The big question among Washington hacks and flacks today is this:
Who’s the tattletale?

Rick Perry’s campaign team says they didn’t do it and
points a sidelong finger at Mitt Romney’s organization.

And besides all that:
If you can't trust your fellow GOP friends, who can you trust ?
Cain is getting trustworthy advice from Gingrich

Atlanta Journal Constitution
jgalloway
November 3, 2011
Newt Gingrich advises Herman Cain:
Stop talking until you have a handle on the facts

Gingrich is to appear with Cain in Houston on Saturday evening.
<snip>
Some polls indicate the former U.S. House speaker from Georgia
would be the one to benefit from a Cain collapse.

[Stormieweather]

They're all nutballs.



(Yes, the air is nice and clear up here on my high horse )

[Griff]

Originally Posted by glatt

The funny thing is, it's got nothing to do with the left. It's right vs. right. I'm a lefty, and I see all this unfolding and I don't care. Cain looks like an idiot, sure. But they all do. It wasn't a liberal smear job against Cain, it's the conservatives tearing each other apart.

I realized that after I posted. I'm sure it came out because of a fellow Republican's digging, but now the money is starting to flow into his campaign just as he should be shutting down, because the faithful assume its a left wing smear, of course the usual right v left propagandizing is still occurring it is just after the information has come out. Look at merc's reaction assuming innocence while the left assumes guilt and the sides switch when they get going on Clinton. Politicians are generally awful people so I assume a lot of this stuff is true, but I'd like to see ideas be the main source of discussion, since workable ideas are, so far, missing from this election cycle.