Afghanistan

BigV · 07-28-2011, 07:34 PM

are you saying it is a military situation because it is in Afghanistan? Cause, what happens in Afghanistan is ... military-y?

If this happened in say, Los Angeles or Atlanta, some people killed the son of a cop, cause the cop wouldn't cooperate with these people, would that be a military situation? I don't think so and I sincerely doubt you'd say so.

I'm not a military expert, but I do know that there's a lot of influence that a name has. What something is called frames the discussion and the response. If you call it a crime, then the response is law enforcement. If you call it a militant action, then the response is a military one.

What do you do if there is no (effective) law enforcement? At the risk of mixing my metaphors here, if the answer you have is a hammer, your problems look like nails. But what is the cause and what is the effect? Does the hanging itself constitute an act of war? Or is it the location, the circumstance, the actors, the responders that make it one?

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I think the right response here is a military one. Not because kidnapping and murder are acts of war, but because the military is the only hammer there to crush worthless fuckers like this.

gvidas · 07-28-2011, 09:14 PM

It's definitely a salient point. I think the more finessed answer is, you use the military to create a system of justice. Because, ultimately, the problem with a military solution is that people can look at it and say: but that isn't just.

Michael Yon's two most recent actual dispatches (albeit hard to find amongst his book promoting and etc) were about just this:

Rule of Law

Left of Bang

TheMercenary · 07-29-2011, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gvidas

It's definitely a salient point. I think the more finessed answer is, you use the military to create a system of justice. Because, ultimately, the problem with a military solution is that people can look at it and say: but that isn't just.

Michael Yon's two most recent actual dispatches (albeit hard to find amongst his book promoting and etc) were about just this:

Rule of Law

Left of Bang

Yon is where I heard about it first, from his FB page.

07-28-2011, 07:34 PM	#1
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	are you saying it is a military situation because it is in Afghanistan? Cause, what happens in Afghanistan is ... military-y? If this happened in say, Los Angeles or Atlanta, some people killed the son of a cop, cause the cop wouldn't cooperate with these people, would that be a military situation? I don't think so and I sincerely doubt you'd say so. I'm not a military expert, but I do know that there's a lot of influence that a name has. What something is called frames the discussion and the response. If you call it a crime, then the response is law enforcement. If you call it a militant action, then the response is a military one. What do you do if there is no (effective) law enforcement? At the risk of mixing my metaphors here, if the answer you have is a hammer, your problems look like nails. But what is the cause and what is the effect? Does the hanging itself constitute an act of war? Or is it the location, the circumstance, the actors, the responders that make it one? ... I think the right response here is a military one. Not because kidnapping and murder are acts of war, but because the military is the only hammer there to crush worthless fuckers like this. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

07-28-2011, 09:14 PM	#2
gvidas Hoodoo Guru Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 286	It's definitely a salient point. I think the more finessed answer is, you use the military to create a system of justice. Because, ultimately, the problem with a military solution is that people can look at it and say: but that isn't just. Michael Yon's two most recent actual dispatches (albeit hard to find amongst his book promoting and etc) were about just this: Rule of Law Left of Bang

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