Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I'll probably regret poking my nose into this thread, but...

Heh! Just wait until Merc and Classic read your post! Your ass will be grass. I suggest you hide out in Nothingland for a while.

[Stormieweather]

No doubt. And that's the reason I don't bother coming here usually.

But as long as I'm hanging my ass out here, I might as well post another one - an opinion piece:

RJ Eskow-Huffington Post

The top 25 hedge fund managers in the United States collectively earned $22 billion last year, and yet they have their own cushy set of tax rules. If they operated under the same rules that apply to other people -- police officers, for example, or teachers -- the country could cut its national deficit by as much as $44 billion in the next ten years.

Yeah, why do we have different rules for different people?

I pay my taxes. I'm in the middle tax bracket and work 65-70 hours per week to earn it. I don't mind paying my taxes. I'm not resentful that I have to do so. What I am resentful of are the people and the corporations who don't "need" every last dime, who pay very little or nothing.

I know the very wealthy have no sympathy for those who earn very little, but I've been there, at the bottom. When you earn $200 dollars a week, you can't pay for child care (so you can work), or groceries, never mind a rent payment or car payment. To suggest that they need to pay another 10-20% of gross pay towards taxes is absurd. Snotting about how they should get better jobs is also stupid since the people at the top are the ones paying the $200 dollar a week wages. Who wants to pay the restaurant dishwasher $75k a year? Or pay clerks in your stores $60k? And what would we do if no one washed the dishes, dug the ditches or cleaned the motel rooms? People with wealth take for granted the services provided by those with low incomes.

I don't see anyone thinking beyond the end of their noses here. What happens to families who lose their jobs and homes and become homeless? We just ignore them and thank God it's not US? Let em get sick and die from malnutrition and exposure. No health care for them either. Fuck 'em. There are hundreds of people applying for grocery bagger position, many with degrees and 5 kids. Just praying for a few dollars so their children can eat. They were successful and on track, just a year or three ago. How is the average high school graduate supposed to compete? There is a local elementary school here, where 1 in 4 children are homeless. They live in cars and motels and tents. They have no food, no clothes and no school supplies. Most of their parents aren't homeless due to drugs or laziness or mental illness. They're there because a job poofed and unemployment ended, they lost their home and they had no where to go. But America doesn't give a shit anymore. Who the fuck cares, it's not my problem, is what we say. My money is MY money, those fuckers can work just like me to earn their own money. Every unemployed person I know (and I know quite a few) would LOVE to be out there earning their own money. And no, the very rich are NOT making more jobs with all these tax breaks they get. They're investing that extra money in fucking hedge funds and making even more money. That they can't possibly use and don't need.

You're rich. Get over it.

Hidden social programs for the wealthy ie: tax loopholes.

What really needs to be addressed is government waste and pork projects. Before we take the easy road and cut funding to poor people, we need to address the financial bleeding that goes on in every government in every state and city across the country.

Waste

24% increase in pork over 2010!!! <---just one agency!!


Alright...back to work. I won't be back to this thread, so save your breath.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Hidden social programs for the wealthy ie: tax loopholes.

What really needs to be addressed is government waste and pork projects. Before we take the easy road and cut funding to poor people, we need to address the financial bleeding that goes on in every government in every state and city across the country.

Waste

24% increase in pork over 2010!!! <---just one agency!!

I couldn't agree more!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

No doubt. And that's the reason I don't bother coming here usually.

But as long as I'm hanging my ass out here, I might as well post another one - an opinion piece:

RJ Eskow-Huffington Post




Yeah, why do we have different rules for different people?

Great question, really. So tell Obama and his other apologists to shut the fuck up and stop putting people who make 150k or 250k in the same group of people who are making billions, ok? Because that is part of this game the President and his minions are playing with people like you. He is starting a class war and you are falling for it.

I pay my taxes. I'm in the middle tax bracket and work 65-70 hours per week to earn it. I don't mind paying my taxes. I'm not resentful that I have to do so.

Yea me too. Only I work more hours than that.

What I am resentful of are the people and the corporations who don't "need" every last dime, who pay very little or nothing.

And I resent people how take about small business owners or others who make money through hard work, carry the bulk of the burden of paying taxes and try to lump them in the group that pays no taxes and makes a hell of a lot more than someone in the groups where Obama wants to start taxing the shit out of them.

I know the very wealthy have no sympathy for those who earn very little, but I've been there, at the bottom.

Yea me too. But I also think if that flat tax gave people the social programs they wanted they would pay it.

You're rich. Get over it.

Sorry Newsweek is totally got it screwed up. If I used the statistical measure of median on any comparison I can pretty much make my arguments where I want them to go. It has little validity when you use it to compare standards and costs of living in San Francisco to other parts of the nation. A very weak article.

Hidden social programs for the wealthy ie: tax loopholes.

Great article about how [b]everybody[/] currently benefits from taxes collected and tax breaks available.

What really needs to be addressed is government waste and pork projects. Before we take the easy road and cut funding to poor people, we need to address the financial bleeding that goes on in every government in every state and city across the country.

I agree which is why I am all over the "Stimulus Bill" that made us Hundreds of Thousands of "Shovel Ready Jobs".

[classicman]

Originally Posted by SamIam

Heh! Just wait until Merc and Classic read your post! Your ass will be grass.

Excuse me? This is the second time you have lumped me in with another poster. Please don't include me in your petty little hatefest.
Personally I enjoy reading Stormie's posts and have nothing against her or her opinions whatsoever.

I suggest you hide out in Nothingland.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by classicman

Excuse me? This is the second time you have lumped me in with another poster. Please don't include me in your petty little hatefest.
Personally I enjoy reading Stormie's posts and have nothing against her or her opinions whatsoever.

I suggest you hide out in Nothingland.

Hey! You have been known to give the occasional scathing reply around here, and you know it.

However, I do realize that you and Merc don't always agree on everything, so I apologize for painting you with the same brush.

And I am not indulging in a "hatefest." I disagree with Merc and have no problem telling him so, but I don't hate him. I called him a "pleasingly plump cat" which is nothing compared to some of the perjoratives that are let fly in this forum.

I don't hate you either even though we disagree on many things.

See you in Nothingland.