No more government - boo hoo!

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by lookout123

I don't really think the government needs to ... provide medical care when he isn't feeling well, or take my money to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

You would allow emergency rooms to turn away the dying poor?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

They can't do that now. Where did Lookout say anything to stimulate such a response?

Emergency rooms take other people's money (in taxes and/or higher prices for richer people) to provide medical care to poor people, which is what lookout123 said the government doesn't need to do.

Providing non-emergency care as well wouldn't be some novel giveaway, it would be a more efficient and effective way to do what we're already doing.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Providing non-emergency care as well wouldn't be some novel giveaway, it would be a more efficient and effective way to do what we're already doing.

Which organization will be running this program again?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Which organization will be running this program again?

It doesn't matter; it's cheaper and more efficient to catch diseases earlier, and do preventative care to head them off altogether.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Emergency rooms take other people's money (in taxes and/or higher prices for richer people) to provide medical care to poor people, which is what lookout123 said the government doesn't need to do.

Providing non-emergency care as well wouldn't be some novel giveaway, it would be a more efficient and effective way to do what we're already doing.

Emergency rooms don't take money in taxes from richer people, governments do that. Wealth redistribution is a failed plan. You must also be a Zero Liability Voter. Until everyone pays in, there will be no investment mentality to make it work.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Emergency rooms don't take money in taxes from richer people, governments do that.

Where do they get the money to pay for the care of people who can't pay? Government funding and/or overcharging the people who can pay.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Where do they get the money to pay for the care of people who can't pay? Government funding and/or overcharging the people who can pay.

Government funding is ONLY available to the few hospitals that are designated to do that, and I want to be sure that you understand that those are few. The rest suck it up, and charge the rest of us the balance. You really need to get out and read more....

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

They do not however receive Taxpayer dollars, as you stated.

Federal money is taxpayer dollars. If they don't receive taxpayer dollars, they don't have to follow the mandate. Most hospitals feel that the benefits of the taxpayer dollars they receive outweigh the burden of the mandate, so they do it.

What they don't get is direct funding for poor ER patients, for that they get the tax writeoff.

I get write offs as well. I do not however receive taxpayer dollars. See how that works.

It works rhetorically, but effectively the only difference between a tax writeoff and a check for the equivalent amount from the government is bookkeeping. I would have thought that a flat tax proponent would be especially likely to understand that.

Dude you are a fool if you think that the cost is transferred, by government mandate to paying patients. Please cite... thanks.

I'll cite you:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The rest suck it up, and charge the rest of us the balance.

They are mandated to pay these costs, and they charge the rest of us the balance.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Federal money is taxpayer dollars. If they don't receive taxpayer dollars, they don't have to follow the mandate. Most hospitals feel that the benefits of the taxpayer dollars they receive outweigh the burden of the mandate, so they do it.

Yea, very few hospitals do not accept medicare, unfortunately.

What they don't get is direct funding for poor ER patients, for that they get the tax writeoff.It works rhetorically, but effectively the only difference between a tax writeoff and a check for the equivalent amount from the government is bookkeeping.

Well I will try to think about it like that when I write off my business expenses. I still do not receive taxpayer dollars because I write off my expense.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I'll cite you:They are mandated to pay these costs, and they charge the rest of us the balance.

But they are not mandated to charge us, as you stated....

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But they are not mandated to charge us, as you stated....

A distinction without a difference.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Where do they get the money to pay for the care of people who can't pay? Government funding and/or overcharging the people who can pay.

You need to get out and read the post you are responding to.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

You need to get out and read the post you are responding to.

Oh, hey, well at least you acknowledge that it does NOT fucking come from taxes.... You are making progress!