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Old 04-18-2011, 11:23 AM   #1
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Intelligent people can be honest without being a dick.
And reciprocally intelligent people can accept honest commentary without perceiving it as delivered with "dick" intent. Logic places the burden of perception on the perceiver, NOT the deliverer. I am surrounded in my life by many intelligent people who prefer, who DEMAND, this arrangement.

Cloud, as a spokesperson for myself and myself alone, characterized here as "some of these posters," I don't have to "listen to myself" to confirm the lifetime of thought that has gone into this. These are not reactionary, offhand comments. This is not going away.
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:19 PM   #2
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And reciprocally intelligent people can accept honest commentary without perceiving it as delivered with "dick" intent. Logic places the burden of perception on the perceiver, NOT the deliverer.

This is the more adult world view...the more self-actualized. Unfortunately, for some people, (probably many) it is not always that easy to attain or even maintain, but always worth striving for. I have to admit, Flint, that your honesty is sometimes hard to take, but even though it can smart, I am able to see its worth. A little charm mixed in wouldn't hurt however.
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:28 PM   #3
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This is the more adult world view...the more self-actualized. Unfortunately, for some people, (probably many) it is not always that easy to attain or even maintain, but always worth striving for. I have to admit, Flint, that your honesty is sometimes hard to take, but even though it can smart, I am able to see its worth. A little charm mixed in wouldn't hurt however.
Thank you for the feedback. Believe it or not, I put a great deal of effort into tact and diplomacy. Mincing words doesn't come naturally to me, and I understand that this can be a social liability. It's a constant struggle for me.

At some point, though, I do feel that simply accepting myself for who I am and seeing my traits as STRENGTHS is what has allowed me to enjoy a previously unimaginable level of success and happiness.

I attribute this to my wonderful wife who has always accepted and supported me for who I am, and with whom I have earned the privilege of participating in a completely open, honest relationship which many observers have identified as a rarity.
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:43 PM   #4
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Thank you for the feedback. Believe it or not, I put a great deal of effort into tact and diplomacy. Mincing words doesn't come naturally to me, and I understand that this can be a social liability. It's a constant struggle for me.

At some point, though, I do feel that simply accepting myself for who I am and seeing my traits as STRENGTHS is what has allowed me to enjoy a previously unimaginable level of success and happiness.

I attribute this to my wonderful wife who has always accepted and supported me for who I am, and with whom I have earned the privilege of participating in a completely open, honest relationship which many observers have identified as a rarity.
I see a new career in the future for you Flint. I'm thinking you should take over writing acceptance speeches for awards shows.
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:06 PM   #5
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And reciprocally intelligent people can accept honest commentary without perceiving it as delivered with "dick" intent. Logic places the burden of perception on the perceiver, NOT the deliverer. I am surrounded in my life by many intelligent people who prefer, who DEMAND, this arrangement.
Honest commentary is not what upsets me about monsters behaviour. It's the way she tries to make others feel small or stupid constantly.

I think almost everyone here is intelligent enough to know when they're being insulted and when they're being offered honest commentary.

This is not about differences of opinion. It's about someone running around the board being a bitch to the same people over and over again.

Personally what I find most disappointing is that Shawnee was never like that in the past. I don't know what's changed in her mindset to encourage her to be someone's lacky instead of thinking for herself. It's a shame. I used to hold her in high esteem.
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:58 PM   #6
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What you just said sounds like :::ahem::: in my opnion, catty sniping. So even if what you say is objectively true--it includes you as well.
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