Quake/Tsunami

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Nevermind, there were 4 twilight movies so let's just scrap this theory of 3.

Haggis! They're going for 3 x 3 x 3...to complete the evil disaster.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by lookout123

No, I think he's on to something. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and Obama/Pelosi/Reid are cited as examples of disasters from different groups and they are grouped in 3's. And then if you're an atheist you might see the Father/Son/Holy Spirit idea as a disaster.

Nevermind, there were 4 twilight movies so let's just scrap this theory of 3.

But many assassins are all know by all threee of their names also.
Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Booth, James Earl Ray, Jared Lee Loughner

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I expect great returns on my celebrity death predictions.

I knew I should have picked Louden Wainright III

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I knew I should have picked Louden Wainright III

Who? Is he from Bob County in Bobsylvania?

[glatt]

Originally Posted by classicman

But many assassins are all know by all threee of their names also.
Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Booth, James Earl Ray, Jared Lee Loughner

but that's 4 people!

[lookout123]

but 3 centuries!

[tw]

Japanese reactors are at a very critical stage. If TEPCO does not aggressively and decisively act quickly, then a major evacuation of personal followed by a major radiation leak will occur. Two reactors probably have melted cores. That explains the large amounts of Iodine 131. One or both also have containment vessel leaks. TEPCO is moving so slowly as to not even learn (or announce) a serious pool of radioactive water outside one plant for more than 24 hours later. But they were real quick to announce a reading that was too hight. TEPCO is still playing 'public spin' with facts. TEPCO top management remains that far removed from reality. Apparently management is responding to events rather than predicting, averting, and getting ahead of events. That is a formula for an every larger disaster.

TEPCO could not provide wires to power the plants for two weeks. That meant no power for any instruments in any control room for two weeks. That meant technical people had no or insufficient information to avert any problems. Ten days just to decide to route wires? An example of management responding to events rather then trying to control anything. Worse, nobody knows where breeches are. Or even if cooling pumps can work.

In Three Mile Island, damaged pumps worked for a full year. Had pumps failed, then Three Mile Island would have restarted a meltdown. In Fukushima, nobody knows how to get to some pumps. Let alone know if plumbing is still intact. Management is that far removed from reality and apparently responding like waves of flowing tar. Every week, the problems will get worse do to complete failure at TEPCO top management.

Every nuclear disaster is not traceable to plant failure. Every reason for disaster and for why problems only got worse was directly traceable to management. Every nuclear failure is directly traceable to management that did nothing or simply made things worse. People - not the plants - are what makes every nuclear power failure so dangerous. Including failures in Canada, UK, Nevada, and Fermi 1 outside of Chicago.

[Spexxvet]

Another quake today. Tsunami warnings, but, luckily, no tsunami.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ster-zone.html

[tw]

Samples from five locations outside these plants were taken on March 21 and 22. TEPCO finally announced on 28 Mar that those samples were radioactive. And contained plutonium. Plutonium is only created inside a reactor vessel that TEPCO believed were intact. Plutonium is one of the most dangerous radiactive elements. So TEPCO said nothing for 7 days?

Why should they? On 21 Mar, TEPCO had already made a major decision. TEPCO decided to run electric wires so that control rooms had lights. Why make a second big decision in the same week? Why admit things were that bad? Two major decisions in one week is hard. What will next week's decision be? To admit they made a mistake?

Waves of tar move faster.

[classicman]

As workers lose the battle to contain the radiation from the Fukushima nuclear plant, Ian Sample talks us through all the main developments.

link

[Spexxvet]

I heard an interesting interview on NPR yesterday. The guy said that the deaths from mining and processing coal, and from the pollution caused by burning it are worse than atomic power, even considering this catastrophe, 3 Mile Island, and Chernobyl.

[Undertoad]

Coal is also a big source of dangerous radioactive waste.

[HungLikeJesus]

And so is natural gas, due to fracking.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I heard an interesting interview on NPR yesterday. The guy said that the deaths from mining and processing coal, and from the pollution caused by burning it are worse than atomic power, even considering this catastrophe, 3 Mile Island, and Chernobyl.

The comparison ignores a fundamentally important fact. Nuclear deaths (and there have been more from other nuclear plants) are not due to the plant or energy production. In each nuclear plant failure, deaths were directly traceable to humans.

In those other cases, death was traceable to the actual process of making energy. When energy was created normally.

Some plants are less forgiving. Other plants let humans make more mistakes. 3 Mile Island is a classic example. Had human not intervened multiple times, then 3 Mile Island would not have happened. Multiple human mistakes (refusing to fix defective valves to cut costs; repeatedly turning off or disabling safety functions, etc) created that meltdown.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Ian Sample talks us through all the main developments.

Enclosing reactors in a sarcophagus has been discussed long ago by others who correctly forecasted how bad things were. And how much worse it will become. However Ian Sample says something I only heard for the first time. The meltdown in Reactor 2 may have pooled at the bottom of that containment vessel. If true, events are far worse than anything I had posted.

TEPCO has yet to have even one better day. All 19 days have been worse than the day before. Management has yet to plan to avert future failures - to get ahead of events. They cannot even get a workable solution for pumping water out of basements. Obviously more water was in the basement than what condensors could hold. Anyone could have done that arithmetic. So what did TEPCO do? Waited for condensors to fill. Only then began looking for another place to put that water.

Basements contained water weeks ago. On what future week was TEPCO going to plan for disposing of radioactive water? That water means critical cooling and monitoring equipment cannot be accessed.

Well, TEPCO finally decided yesterday to apologize for their mess. Either that means top management has been two weeks in utter denial. Or TEPCO managmenent knows how much worse things are about to become. Is TEPCO trying to spin things in advance of more bad news?

All four plants cannot be repaired because TEPCO took 2 weeks to connect electricity. How long does it take your electric company to provide electricity? Maybe those reactors no longer have a good credit rating. So TEPCO's finance department would not approve an account; refused to authorize electric service. Would you sell electricity to an institution that could not pay?

If you own a nuclear power plant, always pay your electric bills. Otherwise your plant might die from a meltdown. Cheaper is to pay every electric bill on time. A sarcophagus and funeral services for a dead nuclear reactor are expensive.