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Old 02-15-2011, 08:27 PM   #1
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From CatholicCulture.org on 13 Feb 2011:
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An editorial in the New York Times argues that the US bishops have failed to recover their credibility in the aftermath of the sex-abuse scandal. Citing the recent report of a grand jury on the Philadelphia archdiocese, the Times observes that there are still widespread suspicions that the bishops have not removed all accused abusers from active ministry.
So the NY Times, a responsible new service, reported it and wrote an editorial. How can that be when Fox News, so fair and balanced, will not even discuss it?

The Pittsburg Tribune asks on 15 Feb 2011:
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Did the same thing happen in Pittsburgh?

We are forced to ask this most difficult question given that the Philly grand jury directly implicates Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua, who stepped down as the prelate of the Philadelphia archdiocese in 2003 and is the former bishop of Pittsburgh.

The grand jury said it "reluctantly" decided to not file charges against Cardinal Bevilacqua because it did not have enough evidence. But he is accused of transferring problem priests to new parishes without divulging prior sexual-abuse allegations.

Did the same thing happen under Bevilacqua's watch in the Diocese of Pittsburgh between 1983 and 1987? It is an eminently fair question given the alleged audacity of the inaction in the Philadelphia cases.
The National Catholic Register, part of EWTN News (a Catholic Church media company) discusses what news organizations reported:
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While Church law and the criminal justice system stipulate that the accused are “innocent until proven guilty,” media coverage of last week’s clergy abuse scandals in Philadelphia and Los Angeles gives credence to an opposing principle: The accused are guilty until proven innocent.
Or ABC News on 14 Feb 2011 entitled Suit:Pa. Catholic Leaders Failed to Protect Kids:
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A civil lawsuit filed Monday against the Archdiocese of Philadelphia by a man who said two priests had sexually abused him as a child may signal a new era in church-abuse litigation in Pennsylvania. ...
The priests charged with rape by the grand jury are not the same ones named as perpetrators in the man's lawsuit. However, both the grand jury report and the civil suit accuse Monsignor William Lynn, the secretary for clergy for the archdiocese from 1992 to 2004, with failing to protect children from known or suspected molesters.
Meanwhile, the fair and balanced Fox News reported what? Oh. When preaching to the brainwashed, only tell them what they need to hear.

Meanwhile ABC News also reports in "Ex-Dutch Cardinal Denies Cover-up for Abuse Priest":
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Some 2,000 cases of sexual abuse are being investigated by an independent commission, headed by a former government minister, set up last year when reports of abuse in the church became a worldwide scandal.
But the Dutch church, which has more than 4 million members, first set up an internal body to deal with abuse allegations in 1995. Known as Help and Law, it has been accused of lacking transparency and accountability.
Simonis was archbishop of Utrecht from 1983 to 2007, and was made a cardinal in 1985.
What did Fox News report about pedophilia? Why so much silence?

Oh. Reporting on pedophiila by conservatives is fair and balanced - when only Fox News is moderate and everyone else is a pinko extremist.

Always trust your kid to horny priests. Fox says it is safe.
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Old 02-16-2011, 09:34 PM   #2
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From The Economist of 10 Feb 2011 entitled “Chapter 11, verse 8
Facing mounting lawsuits, Catholic dioceses turn to bankruptcy”
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Milwaukee has a particularly tortured history. It has been rife with scandal—a Father Lawrence Murphy was alleged to have abused some 200 deaf students, for example, and a convicted priest was sent to work with children in California. Yet civil suits have only recently proved successful. Plaintiffs in other states have charged the church with negligent supervision of priests, but this argument found little traction in Wisconsin’s courts. Victims made progress, at last, in 2007. The archdiocese, plaintiffs claimed, had committed fraud in the 1970s and 1980s by misrepresenting such priests to future victims. The state Supreme Court let that claim stand.

A wave of lawsuits followed and, on January 4th, the archdiocese filed for bankruptcy. The filing puts all the suits on hold. Jeff Anderson, the plaintiffs’ lawyer, argues that the bankruptcy was timed to avoid an embarrassing trial. “It is part of a pattern,” says Mr Anderson, who has brought hundreds of suits against various bits of the church, including one against the Vatican. The archdiocese says this is nonsense. Bankruptcy will simply allow it to deal with creditors equitably and settle claims more quickly than in a trial.

But the bankruptcy will hardly be speedy. All bankruptcies are complex, but those for a church are much more so, explains Jonathan Lipson, a law professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. Financial statements filed in the bankruptcy court on February 7th presage fights to come. The archdiocese presented $40.7m in assets, compared with $98.4m in its financial report last year. The discrepancy, the archdiocese says, is because certain assets are held in restricted trusts,
Meanwhile, in Philadelphia, the state of Pennsylvania had passed a law that says charges cannot be filed two years after a priest raped a kid. The report bluntly says a 10 year old victim cannot file charges after the age of 12.

Remember who has power and who is the victim here. Pedophillia is safe when the Pope and his Cardinals can manipulate the laws. The Pope ordered all Catholic American law makers to change American laws to conform with Church doctrine.

Why is it so hard to even get excommunicated?

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Old 02-21-2011, 09:52 PM   #3
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Always trust your kid to horny priests. Fox says it is safe.
Oh, but without saying a word about it.

Way to try and have it both ways, lamebrain. "A liar needs a good memory." --Quinilian
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Old 03-02-2011, 08:53 AM   #4
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Just my opinion but if you deliberately harm a child in any way, priest or not, you should have your genitals ripped from your body and get them shoved in your mouth and made to choke to death on them.
No trial, no appeals and no cover-ups.
And any church, priest or Pope who allows this to happen should suffer the same fate.
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Old 03-02-2011, 09:49 PM   #5
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No trial, no appeals and no cover-ups.
And any church, priest or Pope who allows this to happen should suffer the same fate.
Careful. UG will use that same 'lynch mob' reasoning to attack you too.
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:12 AM   #6
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From the NY Times of 8 Mar 2011:
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21 Priests Suspended in Philadelphia
The mass suspension was the single-most sweeping in the history of the sexual-abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church in the United States, said Terence McKiernan, president of BishopAccountability.org, which archives documents from the abuse scandal in dioceses across the country.

The archdiocese’s action follows a damning grand jury report issued Feb. 10 that accused the archdiocese of a widespread cover-up of predatory priests, stretching over decades, and said that as many as 37 priests remained active in the ministry despite credible accusations against them. ...

Nor did it name the 21 whom it suspended, drawing the fury of groups representing abuse victims. Many parishioners are likely to learn that their priest was accused when he fails to appear for Ash Wednesday services.

The announcement was a major embarrassment for Cardinal Justin Rigali, who, in response to the grand jury report, had initially said there were no priests in active ministry "who have an admitted or established allegation of sexual abuse of a minor against them." ...

"We may have to be asking, what did the cardinal know and when did he know it?” said Leonard Norman Primiano, a Roman Catholic and chairman of the religious studies department at Cabrini College in nearby Radnor, Pa. He described the mass suspension as “astonishing."

At a minimum, the scope of the suspensions underscored the grand jury's contention that the archdiocese had failed to clean house after a grand jury report in 2005 found credible accusations of abuse by 63 priests. And it suggested that potentially, predatory priests had had access to thousands of children for years.
Philadelphia is one of few jurisdictions that decided to investigate. And found widespread pedophilia combined with possible coverup by three Cardinals. That for only one archdiocese. Philly region and multiple more archdioceses. Are the others innocent? Of course not. But most prosecutors do not have the balls to go after reason for most corruption. Its not a question of pedophilia in your region. The question is how many and why are your prosecutors not investigating an organization where the crime was either covered up or ignored at the highest levels probably everywhere.

Knowing that pedophilia still exists, the Cardinal insisted it did not. Then had to stop the coverup when a more honest institution - the government - forced then to be honest.

How major is this story? Even Fox News on 8 Mar 2011 reported it for the first time. Well, the Fox article was as short as possible - only 7 paragraphs. And without any mention of the other Grand Jury report that Fox had completely ignored.

If 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management, then what does that say about god? God and Fox would pretend it does not exist?
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Old 03-09-2011, 07:23 AM   #7
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From the NY Times of 8 Mar 2011:

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If 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management, then what does that say about god? God and Fox would pretend it does not exist?
Heeheee. God and Fox both believe in Fair and Balanced.
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Old 03-10-2011, 02:19 AM   #8
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God and Fox both believe in Fair and Balanced.
According to business law, a priest is an agent for god. When he is doing pedophilia in the name of god, well, that is what he meant by "let's get down to business".

Can he be accused of an "illegal contract"?
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