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Old 01-08-2011, 05:55 PM   #1
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The Arizona congresswoman shot today outside a Tucson Safeway, was featured on Sarah Palin's infamous 'crosshairs' map, which targeted legislators who voted for Obama's health care bill. Remember? The map that was criticized as an incitement to violence?

NOW can we muzzle and hog-tie SP?
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:15 PM   #2
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NOW can we muzzle and hog-tie SP?

I dunno can we talk about politics in the current events?
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:35 PM   #3
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The Arizona congresswoman shot today outside a Tucson Safeway, was featured on Sarah Palin's infamous 'crosshairs' map, which targeted legislators who voted for Obama's health care bill. Remember? The map that was criticized as an incitement to violence?

NOW can we muzzle and hog-tie SP?
Is the implication here that Palin intended this as an outcome? Are you suggesting that, absent the crosshair map, the shooter would have decided to write a sternly-worded letter to the editor instead?

Please, spell this out for me. How is there ANY moral responsibility on Sarah Palin for this incident? Vaguely gesturing at a map with crosshairs won't do, explain it to me like I'm an idiot.

Because, if you can't, then you're endorsing the worst kind of idiotic brainless hysteria.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:26 PM   #4
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Is the implication here that Palin intended this as an outcome? Are you suggesting that, absent the crosshair map, the shooter would have decided to write a sternly-worded letter to the editor instead?

Please, spell this out for me. How is there ANY moral responsibility on Sarah Palin for this incident? Vaguely gesturing at a map with crosshairs won't do, explain it to me like I'm an idiot.

Because, if you can't, then you're endorsing the worst kind of idiotic brainless hysteria.
Her intention was to make political hay, for sure. I doubt this was her intended outcome, and if it was, it couldn't be proven.

We're walking a fine line here, with freedom of speech, political or not, and ridiculous calls for revolution that only nutballs would act on. Unfortunately there are nutballs out there, and calls to "take back our country",(to 1850), have consequences. It's neither responsible nor productive, it rhetoric and counter productive.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:47 PM   #5
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Is the implication here that Palin intended this as an outcome? Are you suggesting that, absent the crosshair map, the shooter would have decided to write a sternly-worded letter to the editor instead?

Please, spell this out for me. How is there ANY moral responsibility on Sarah Palin for this incident? Vaguely gesturing at a map with crosshairs won't do, explain it to me like I'm an idiot.

Because, if you can't, then you're endorsing the worst kind of idiotic brainless hysteria.

SM, of course there is no direct, explicit connection between SP and anything else,
including whatever motivations might be associated with this shooting event.
At this point we still have not heard anything from the authorities about his motivations.
Personally, I'm not yet willing to guess what motivated this fellow.

But there is something to be said for the responsibilities of leadership,
both right/left, liberal/conservative,... or whatever,
to NOT bring the bugs out of the woodwork.

Over the past 2 years, SP has managed to do this.
Did she intend there to eventually be a shooting ? Almost certainly not.
Did she intend to stir up crowds ? Of course.
But could some event like this one or another be expected ? Some people do think so.
It's ironic that you and I just tonight posted about an important song
devoted to what happened when some leaders pushed out too far.

But this shooting does show that words do matter.
Everyone wants a reason or someone to blame, and it was predictable that SP
would be discussed based on her leadership style in campaigning words and ads.
Of course we do not know SP's motivations or whether she, herself,
feels any moral responsibility derived from her earlier campaigns.
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:38 AM   #6
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...explain it to me like I'm an idiot.
You're welcome.

Sarah Palin is a brunette Ann Coulter.

does that help?
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