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Old 12-07-2010, 03:39 PM   #136
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I'm sure their protocol is extremely rigid, just as it is here in the EMS world. Public safety has gotten that way over the years in all forms fire, EMS, police, TSA, etc. Deviate and you're screwed because that protocol is your Bible and you better have it memorized word for word. I get tired of seeing people in pain and family members suffering all the time, but it's my job that I chose and I wouldn't be here if I wasn't willing to deal with it.

I have a degree of sympathy for them in regards to just needing the job in this economy. They're in a sucky situation, I'm sure many of them were employed long before the enhanced pat downs and scanners were implemented. What should they do, quit over moral issues? Not in this economy.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:58 PM   #137
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It seems rather harsh to judge the people who are just doing what they're told to do, saying they must be more stupid than fast food employees.
"I was only following orders" isn't that the Nuremburg defense?
Maybe not more stupid, maybe more stupid. I was talking about the ability to think for yourself and within that concept is encompassed "despite what your superiors may have told you."

And I stand by my original assertion, we need people like that, people who follow orders without question. "Run into that cave and flush out the enemy? Fuck you, sarge." <---not that kind of attitude.
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Old 12-07-2010, 04:22 PM   #138
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How many people sign up for this job now, do you think? Before it probably held a little prestige, now maybe not so much. I'd be hard pressed to go for it.
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Old 12-07-2010, 07:41 PM   #139
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:48 PM   #140
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Ha...good point, but the odds are really slim.
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Old 12-08-2010, 07:41 AM   #141
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I sure wouldn't want to do that job. But I don't want the one I have.

Thing is, they pay me...and it takes money to not be homeless. Unless you have rich relatives or something, I guess. I doubt that's the case for most of those people, or else many would rise up and say "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore."
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Old 12-08-2010, 10:06 AM   #142
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So I'm supposed to feel sorry for them? Fuck that.
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I have a degree of sympathy for them
Ok, I'm confused.

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There is a use for people who are incapable of thinking for themselves:
Suicide missions and cannon fodder.
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"I was only following orders" isn't that the Nuremburg defense?
Maybe not more stupid, maybe more stupid. I was talking about the ability to think for yourself and within that concept is encompassed "despite what your superiors may have told you."

And I stand by my original assertion, we need people like that, people who follow orders without question. "Run into that cave and flush out the enemy? Fuck you, sarge." <---not that kind of attitude.
I doubt that these people are "incapable of thinking for themselves". I'll bet that they want to keep their jobs, and keep flying safe. If they were to quit in righteous indignity, there'd be ten applicants for every abandoned position.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:07 AM   #143
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Those were two different issues. I don't feel sorry for them if something happens after they follow all their protocol. And neither should they. I do feel sorry for their economic position of just needing a job in this economy, and many probably don't like the new rules and procedures any more than the average passenger.
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Old 12-15-2010, 03:31 PM   #144
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:11 AM   #145
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That dude is totally playing with himself.
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