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classicman · 08-02-2010, 01:48 PM

I edited the post and kept only that which I previously had made bold.
Shawnee has been on my ignore list for weeks.

Basically what you have said is that she made a decision, but not a ruling.

Bruce called it semantics. I agreed.

Shawnee123 · 08-02-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

There was no bold, except for the usernames.

Shawnee's post shows that you understood this stuff four days ago. What happened?

This:

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Here Obama does what you want, in bunches, but you guys find ways to casually dismiss it.

There's no fun in the cure, the fun is in the bitch, or in the sycophantic slurping of ass-kissing.

Shawnee123 · 08-02-2010, 01:55 PM

Happy Monkey, there still wasn't any bold except user titles, was there?

Boys got a mind like a steel trap, rusty that is.

Remember, he took time to very carefully show he understood the copyright crap, but kept right on doing it. When the Cellar gets sued...can that be ignored as well?

Happy Monkey · 08-02-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I edited the post and kept only that which I previously had made bold.
Shawnee has been on my ignore list for weeks.

Here's what she quoted, that showed you seemed to have understood this better four days ago:

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Originally Posted by classicman

Kept the obvious parts that were compliant and put "on hold" those that were in question. I like that she didn't rule with an "all-or-nothing" decision.

"on hold" is not the end.

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Basically what you have said is that she made a decision, but not a ruling.

Bruce called it semantics. I agreed.

Calling a preliminary injunction and the striking down of a law as unconstitutional semanically equivalent is silly.

Option 1: contested portions of the law can't take effect until both sides have a chance to make their case
Option 2: rule for the plaintiff without hearing the case.

The difference between those options is not semantic.

classicman · 08-02-2010, 02:30 PM

I stand corrected. My humblest of apologies to you HM.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-02-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Option 1: contested portions of the law can't take effect until both sides have a chance to make their case
Option 2: rule for the plaintiff without hearing the case.

The difference between those options is not semantic.

Option 3: Rule for the defendant without hearing the case.
But since she's part of the power structure, that won't happen.

Happy Monkey · 08-03-2010, 10:40 AM

I wasn't listing all possible options; I was listing the two things that had been called semantically equivalent.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-03-2010, 11:02 AM

A law delayed is a law denied.

Happy Monkey · 08-03-2010, 11:44 AM

But only if they lose, in which case they should have been denied.

classicman · 08-03-2010, 01:19 PM

What if they win?

ETA - Would you consider that an injustice?

Happy Monkey · 08-03-2010, 01:41 PM

If they win, then it is not denied.

Consider what an injustice?

classicman · 08-03-2010, 02:55 PM

The initial denial.

Happy Monkey · 08-03-2010, 03:05 PM

It wasn't denied. It's only denied if they lose.

classicman · 08-03-2010, 03:42 PM

ok. yeh

xoxoxoBruce · 08-03-2010, 05:42 PM

A law delayed is a law denied.

08-02-2010, 01:48 PM	#31
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I edited the post and kept only that which I previously had made bold. Shawnee has been on my ignore list for weeks. Basically what you have said is that she made a decision, but not a ruling. Bruce called it semantics. I agreed. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-02-2010, 01:55 PM	#33
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Happy Monkey, there still wasn't any bold except user titles, was there? Boys got a mind like a steel trap, rusty that is. Remember, he took time to very carefully show he understood the copyright crap, but kept right on doing it. When the Cellar gets sued...can that be ignored as well? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-02-2010, 02:30 PM	#35
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I stand corrected. My humblest of apologies to you HM. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-03-2010, 10:40 AM	#37
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I wasn't listing all possible options; I was listing the two things that had been called semantically equivalent. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-03-2010, 11:02 AM	#38
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A law delayed is a law denied. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-03-2010, 11:44 AM	#39
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	But only if they lose, in which case they should have been denied. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-03-2010, 01:19 PM	#40
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	What if they win? ETA - Would you consider that an injustice? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 08-03-2010 at 01:36 PM.

08-03-2010, 01:41 PM	#41
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If they win, then it is not denied. Consider what an injustice? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-03-2010, 02:55 PM	#42
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	The initial denial. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-03-2010, 03:05 PM	#43
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It wasn't denied. It's only denied if they lose. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-03-2010, 03:42 PM	#44
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	ok. yeh __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-03-2010, 05:42 PM	#45
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A law delayed is a law denied. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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