What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

No....under the AZ law, the police can question a person on immigration status based solely on "reasonable suspicion" with NO other reason for having been detained.

Ok, even if this is the case, that is no different from what the feds can do now.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ok, even if this is the case, that is no different from what the feds can do now.

No...under federal immigration law, state/local law enforcement officials can question one's immigration status ONLY when a person is being detained for another cause.

The federal law does not allow cops to determine, based on "reasonable suspicion" (undefined), that a person may be illegal and require that person to prove his citizenship/residency.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

No...under federal immigration law, state/local law enforcement officials can question one's immigration status ONLY when a person is being detained for another cause.

But the Border Patrol and ICE are defacto law enforcement agencies and they can do this already, so it is not more stringent than current Federal law.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But the Border Patrol and ICE are defacto law enforcement agencies and they can do this already, so it is not more stringent than current Federal law.

Questioning one's status at the border as that person attempts to enter the US is far different than questioning one's status on the streets of Phoenix, based solely on a cops reasonable suspicion and NOT being detained for questioning on another matter.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Questioning one's status at the border as that person attempts to enter the US is far different than questioning one's status on the streets of Phoenix, based solely on a cops reasonable suspicion and NOT being detained for questioning on another matter.

ICE is all over the country, not just the border. The Border Patrol operates all over the country, but primarily at the border. I have seen Border Patrol Agents in Oklahoma City.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

ICE is all over the country, not just the border. The Border Patrol operates all over the country, but primarily at the border. I have seen Border Patrol Agents in Oklahoma City.

ICE agents are federal agents enforcing a federal law.