Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[xoxoxoBruce]

Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez, would be a pretty good reason why he thought it was a holiday.

Their reasons for wearing those clothes doesn't matter, they were within their rights to do so.

[Spexxvet]

What a bunch of assholes

[Spexxvet]

Live Oak dress code

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

But, the fact is, neither of us know if the policy prohibits wearing bandannas.

see below

That the five kids acted out of patriotism, rather than to be provocative. You dont know that.
Are they model students?
Have they had or provoked confrontations with Hispanic students in the past?
We dont know any of the answers. Presumably, the Asst. Principal does.

at least two of the boys wearing the American flag T-shirts have Mexican ancestry.

And, with the bolding, it appears that you are assuming or inferring that the Asst Principal acted based on his own ethnicity rather than out of concern for safety.

You are the one making assumptions.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez, would be a pretty good reason why he thought it was a holiday.
Their reasons for wearing those clothes doesn't matter, they were within their rights to do so.

from the dress code -

Specific Inappropriate Dress Includes: Doo rags or bandanas of any color

There was no justification for telling the students to invert their shirts according to the dress code.

Originally Posted by classicman

see below



You are the one making assumptions.

from the dress code -
There was no justification for telling the students to invert their shirts according to the dress code.

What was your point in bolding the Asst. Principal's name? Other than to point out that he is Hispanic. Why is that relevant unless you are pre-judging? Pre-judging = prejudice.

And...so the kids "said" they acted out of patriotism and not to be confrontational. Kids never lie when they are confronted? One news report said the kids taunted Hispanic students before being called to the principals office....of course, the kids denied it.

You dont know what happened any more than me.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

...There was no justification for telling the students to invert their shirts according to the dress code.

However, any clothing or decoration which detracts from the learning environment is prohibited. The school has the right to request that any student dressing inappropriately for school will change into other clothes, be sent home to change, and/or be subject to disciplinary action.

There's enough wiggle room there satisfy the lawyers, IMHO.

[jinx]

And...so the kids "said" they acted out of patriotism. Kids never lie when they are confronted?

So assume they are lying - what's the real reason they wore flag tshirts then? to cause trouble? What is the climate of this school then, if these kids knew that simply wearing an american flag would be considered offensive, to the point that they'd need to be sent home so they didn't get beaten up by a mexican mob?

If it's so bad there, I'm glad they called attention to it. The administration needs to explain why a public school in america is so hostile towards the american flag and what they plan to do about it. They also need to learn some conflict resolution skills...

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

What was your point in bolding the Asst. Principal's name?

I want everyone everywhere to know that this asshole thinks its inappropriate to wear the colors of THIS country. I don't give a crap what day it is. There is NEVER a reason for this. I hope he gets fired.

Other than to point out that he is Hispanic. Why is that relevant unless you are pre-judging? Pre-judging = prejudice.

Is he? One could assume that - you certainly are. It would appear to me that you are the one who's prejudice is showing.

And...so the kids "said" they acted out of patriotism and not to be confrontational. Kids never lie when they are confronted?

Irrelevant

One news report said the kids taunted Hispanic students before being called to the principals office....of course, the kids denied it.

at least two of the boys wearing the American flag T-shirts have Mexican ancestry.

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

There's enough wiggle room there satisfy the lawyers, IMHO.

Yeh - I wish them luck with that.
Lawyer: the kids were wearing American flag T-shirts.
Judge: Yeh, so?
Lawyer: It was Cinco de Mayo.
Judge: Yeh, so?
Lawyer: So the Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez asked them to turn them inside out. Hew felt it may be offensive to the Hispanic students.
Judge: So you think it is inappropriate for students to wear the colors and/or flag of America on their T-shirts IN AMERICA?
Lawyer: Uh, Yes sir it was potentially offensive.
Judge: Tough shit, This IS America , not Mexico. NEXT!

I get it....just ignore the dress code....ignore the fact that you know nothing about the kids in question.....ignore the fact that the Asst Principal presumably had a much better understanding of the school environment than any outsider....including the parents, the media and you or me.

And...you can defend your words anyway you want.

If you look at my posts, I havent defended him. I said it may or may not have been poor judgment, but in either case, IMO, it certainly wasnt a violation of the students rights. We dont have all the facts!

And pre-judging is prejudice.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

I get it....just ignore the dress code...

I quoted the dress code

ignore the fact that you know nothing about the kids in question..

Irrelevent

ignore the fact that the Asst Principal presumably had a much better understanding of the school environment than any outsider including the parents, the media and you or me.

Who? Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez the one that determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it was inappropriate?

And...you can defend your words anyway you want.

Yes I can and I have. thank you.

Pre-judging is prejudice.

Yes it is and yours has been exposed.

Originally Posted by classicman

...Who? Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez the one that determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it was inappropriate?

You are making assumptions w/o knowing all the facts...w/o hearing anything from the Asst Principal, other than what was reported.

That...in any language is pre-judging or prejudice.

Originally Posted by classicman

.....Yes it is and yours has been exposed.

Merc speak

[classicman]

Originally Posted by classicman

Yes it is and yours has been exposed.

Originally Posted by Redux

Merc speak

lol - Wait what? Your reverting to that already? Is that all you got?
Isn't it you who claimed that when one cannot defend their position they....

Originally Posted by classicman

lol - Wait what? Your reverting to that already? Is that all you got?
Isn't it you who claimed that when one cannot defend their position they....

And you are still ignoring that you dont have all the facts.

I stated my position. I dont know enough about the the school, the students and the situation to make an informed decision. I said it may have been poor judgment or not and I said, IMO, it was not a violation of their rights - dress codes are not generally not an infrigement of a student's right of expression.

What part of my position dont you understand?

But you presumably know more about it than me.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

You are making assumptions w/o knowing all the facts...w/o hearing anything from the Asst Principal, other than what was reported.
That...in any language is pre-judging or prejudice.

I am stating my opinion based upon the facts as we have them.
Asst Principal Miguel Rodriguez determined wearing a T-shirt with the flag of America on it is in America is inappropriate.

That will never ever be ok with me - Ever. What bothers me is that it is ok with you and apparently some others.

[jinx]

God forbid you 3 ever shut the fuck up with your bickering bullshit thread ruining crap. Fucking assholes.